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[JackDaniels]

The bathroom in the depatment store is also a public place....

Everyone knows that the bathroom is not a public place.

The notion of consent cannot be brushed away by "unidentifiability". If there is no identifiability, why the hidden camera and the deception ? If there is no identifiability, why not say to the chica "Hey, I am filming but you can't be identified" ? Why the subterfuge ?

Thats all I have to say about that.

[Bizzie]

There is a big difference. A department store, for example, is a public area. A bedroom is not.

Jack,
I am not sure if you read the entire post, and this is getting into symantics now.
I agree that there is a SOME difference, but public and private issue is not as simple, so consider this:
The bathroom in the depatment store is also a public place, so by your standard, taking pics of private acts in the public is less problematic than taking pics of private acts through your bedroom window?? I don't think so.

If someone took a picture of my hairy ass in the public bathroom or in my bedroom, and posted it on the internet WITHOUT showing my identity/face, you would have NO IDEA whose ass you were looking at. And I would have NO PROBLEM because I would NOT KNOW whose ass that is either. But if I COULD identify my own ass, then I would feel violated, but nowhere nearly as bad if my identity was also shared.

Just to clarify for some of you who are invariably going to take this out of context: I am not condoning taking/posting pictures without consent. However, when the identity has been concealed, and the individual cannot be identified by others, the whole issue becomes LESS problematic.

[JackDaniels]

Video taping or taking pictures without consent is not the main problem, IMHO.
We all have been video taped unknowingly by security cameras in the department stores or your friends house. You could have been grabbing your girl's ass or scratching your balls or picking your nose.

There is a big difference. A department store, for example, is a public area. A bedroom is not.

If you subscribe to the notion of privacy, then making private matters public invariably requires consent.

Justifications such as "prostitution is wrong/illegal" or "guys cheat on their wives" and so on, simply does not fly.

Cachorro summed it up well.

[OttoGraham]

BTW wasn't Jaimito Cartero the one taking clandestine photos at the Thanksgiving monger dinner? What's up with that?

Care to comment, Jaimito?

[Bizzie]

Video taping or taking pictures without consent is not the main problem, IMHO.
We all have been video taped unknowingly by security cameras in the department stores or your friends house. You could have been grabbing your girl's ass or scratching your balls or picking your nose.
It could be very embarrassing for you if the tape was shared on america's funniest people, witout hiding your identity (blurring of the face). But if no one knows (including yourself) that it's you, then no harm done (or very little harm done).

So the problem here is posting pictures taken without consent and sharign wiht the public, without even attempting to conceal the identity. Had the faces been disguised, I would have no problem at all with these pictures, because then, these would be just another pair ot tits and ass.

Jackson,
I vote for removing the pics that show the girls' faces (or Judd can edit the pics to hide the faces).

[Daddy Rulz]

Wild Video I have to tell you that your 100% correct in your assessment of Dave. I met him for dinner once and again at Excedra for drinks. He's a 18 year old trust fund baby/surfer punk. tattoos, bad haircut and sagging pants. It was immediately apparent He knew NOTHING about the mongering scene. As a matter of fact I think when He wants to have a session with a new girl He just changes hands.

JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

Sorry Dave I couldn't help myself.

[Wild Video]

Capt Dave-I think you show a remarkable contempt for these ladies that I don't share, admire or appreciate. We have had a variation of this discussion privately.

Wild Video-Personally I could care less what you or anyone else has discussed about me in private regarding my opinions with girls. You don’t know who I am, they don’t know who I am and none of you have a clue who I am. You only read a few things I posted, which in my mind shows what type of man you really are if you are going judge a person based on little knowledge. I am sure that I must be much older than you, considering one of the comments you made in one of your replies to me, as if I don’t know how to act in front of a woman, god you make me laugh dude. If I used a word that you just didn’t like well then you prejudge me based on a man to man comment regarding a hooker and for that well, it just tells me you have not been around much at all.

Capt Dave-I can't help but wonder why it seems to make you feel good to "dis" them.

Wild Video-This is your way of misunderstanding my comments, once again. Maybe you have only had a few hookers, I don’t really know, but I have had thousands. I don’t “dis” anyone, but if you expect me to honor their profession, respectfully, “you have to be out of your mind”? But that doesn’t mean that I would treat a hooker like a ***** and not like a woman. Personally what I do in bed, is really none of your business.

Capt Dave-I think you will be much more peaceful when you iron this issue out with yourself!

Wild Video-You amaze me dude, you just amaze me. I will suggest to you that you save your judgments about someone once you have personally met that person rather than to assume all that you have at this point about them. Once again you have no idea who I am. If you just don’t like my style, well that is too bad, I don’t care.

Capt Dave-I really don't want to start or participate in a flame war, but I will tell you that I will not allow anyone here at the mansion to treat my lady friends with anything but honesty (and at least the basic polite respect you would show your barber) any more then I will allow them to steal from you.

Wild Video-As far as your “flame war”, I know how to act and how to treat people and that includes women if it is at the mansion, a dinner, a party or in bed. I don’t need you to act like my big brother, because your not, okay! I will tell you this, how you would not allow me to treat any of your lady friends with nothing but honestly, really makes me wonder about you. I would love to see how you would be able to do that to me? You come off as if you are some ex-boxer or ex-cop and I’ll tell you, once again, save your judgment until after you met someone. You have no idea who I am. But if I was you I would be careful if you are threatening me, I don’t take orders very well. I also do-not need your help about any girl trying to steal from me, that hasn’t happen to me once.

Wild Video-Now I would appreciate it if you would stop acting like I am out to fuck over ever hooker I see, because I have an opinion that is not like yours. I think once you do meet me, you will feel rather stupid for assuming what you have. Like I said, save your judgments on someone until you have met them, that is what a man does.

[Dickhead]

I will say that if Judd had consent from these chicas to photograph them, I find his videotaping of them somewhat less objectionable. But hey, if he asked them for permission for photos, why not ask for permission to tape? The key phrase here IMO is consenting adults.

BTW wasn't Jaimito Cartero the one taking clandestine photos at the Thanksgiving monger dinner? What's up with that?

[Capt Dave]

Come ON guys!!!!

I can't believe some of this crap.

Judd - you KNOW it was wrong to tape them, or anyone, in secret. I know it's wrong when I do it.

However this practice really hurts no one, whereas posting them publiclly is, IMHO, a completely different matter.

The issue isn't a legal issue - the issue is plain and simple

Rule A: "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"

Judd - You say:

"The notion of prostitution defines immorality. Therefore, how can you have boundaries between right and wrong on a subject that’s based on immorality? Essentially, EVERYTHING ABOUT PROSTITUTION IS WRONG! "

This may be your opinion, but not mine. I don't see any difference between a massuese treating my stiff upper neck and a hooker treating my stiff lower one.

If using her services violates an agreement you have made with someone else (e.g. your wife) that is your problem not her's, and the one behaving unethically is you not her.

Morality is not about fucking (remember the 60's?) It IS about lying and decieving, however.

Judging what's right or wrong is EASY. See rule "A" above

Snow Bird - You say "Is writting about a girls characteristics or performance really any different?"

Yes, of course it is. There is a reason these girls use "working" names

Wild Video - I think you show a remarkable contempt for these ladies that I don't share, admire or appreciate. We have had a variation of this discussion privately.

I can't help but wonder why it seems to make you feel good to "dis" them.
I think you will be much more peaceful when you iron this issue out with yourself!


I really don't want to start or participate in a flame war, but I will tell you that I will not allow anyone here at the mansion to treat my lady friends with anything but honesty (and at least the basic polite respect you would show your barber) any more then I will allow them to steal from you.

David

[Jaimito Cartero]

Jaimito, would you still agree with your concept if the tables were turned on you? For example, you go to an albergue transitorio, and the management film your session with the hooker, then put the tape out to the general public. I think most mongers would be furious at something like that.

Actually I said that I would not publicly post anything that I hadn't been given a thumbs up to do.

I also wouldn't post any pictures from an unwilling participant.

I'm pretty certain that I have been taped at some point in my mongering career. In particular, in massage type places in the US. That's one reason why I don't go to them anymore.

It's a bit of a sticky (ah-hum) subject. In some instances, you might be concerned about a girl ripping you off for something. I know that many times I've been nervous when going to the bathroom or taking a shower and leaving the girl there.

I always try to have my money and valuables put in a secure place, but that's not possible in a rented apartment most of the time. While this is not the main reason most people would tape, it is a valid one, I think.

I still believe in asking the partipants, but I can see the other side of the argument.

[Jaimito Cartero]

I stayed at Hotel Almendra suggested by the fellow mongers on this board. I was very happy that I chose to stay there. The hotel was very close to a mall and it was very easy to get a quick bite.

By the way, the Carretera Masaya was between the mall and Hotel Almendra. One evening, I walked between the mall and the Casino Phoenix. Within a third of a mile I counted about 30 SWs around 9:30 pm.

There are a lot of girls on Carretera Masaya. All want about $16 for 1 - 2 hours or $30 for the whole night!

There is an excellent choice of girls on this road. The girls on this road, in my opinion, are substantially better than the girls I found at Polankos.

I shall post photos and other ibformation soon.

Not sure why, but you're talking about Managua, Nicaragua, and we're in the Buenos Aires, Argentina sections. Software glitch or human error?

[Cachorro]

Well, to the guys who supported taping in secret, I'm really not convinced by how you justify it.

Yes, the hobby may be technically against the law in some places. But other laws are still relevant to us. And looking at the bigger picture, it's in all our interests to keep the hobby clean. In many countries it's well managed. It shouldn't have to be the wild west.

"Yes, Your Honour, I beat the guy up, that's true. But he was jay walking, so you have to understand that he was already operating outside the law". Not very convincing, is it?

Jaimito, would you still agree with your concept if the tables were turned on you? For example, you go to an albergue transitorio, and the management film your session with the hooker, then put the tape out to the general public. I think most mongers would be furious at something like that.

Guys, if you believe it's no big deal and you're not really harming anyone by taping, then please just get her consent first, OK?

[Judd]

Just want to respond to some of the criticism and comment on a broader subject. I want to apologize to those I offended with what I wrote. Several people pm’d for specific information about how I captured the photos. I tried to make it a good read while providing them with the information they requested. Sorry if it was too specific.

I respect and value everyone’s opinion who disagreed with my methods. I understand your concern for wanting to protect the privacy of the chicas. All the girls let me take photos of them with a camera. I think the internet girls know your going to share the photos in some form or another. That’s how they grow their customer base. Obviously, I stretched the photo taking idea a bit to include pics from the video. I was careful to only post photos of Brisa’s fantastic body since she didn‘t want her face to be photographed. The rest of the girls either already had their photos posted on the WSG or
had full facial photos on their websites.

There’s another issue at play here. Many feel what I did was wrong or deceitful. I'm not trying to debate this fact. However, If that’s the case then we all should ask the question, What is ethical and moral about prostitution? The notion of prostitution defines immorality. Therefore, how can you have boundaries between right and wrong on a subject that’s based on immorality? Essentially, EVERYTHING ABOUT PROSTITUTION IS WRONG!

It’s not right for the married monger who takes a “Business Trip” to BA for the sole purpose of popping Vitamin V and banging lethal amounts of chicas. Likewise, it’s not right for those chicas who seem to have a birthday every time your in town. Or the ones you pay for TLN and they leave after the first pop. How can you judge what’s right or wrong in this type of environment? I contend you can’t.

Prostitution is a necessary evil centered around money and sexual gratification. If the chicas were independently wealthy they wouldn’t be in the game. If we all had wives that looked like Jessica Simpson and sucked like Nina Hartley we wouldn’t be in the game. I think we sometimes forget its that simple.

Ultimately, the decision to delete the photos and what I wrote will rest upon Jackson since this is his site. It makes no difference to me. Thanks for listening.

Captain Dave, Do you really want to see my facial expressions?

Late,

Judd

[Daddy Rulz]

I have lots of chica photos that I could only get because I promised to keep them to myself. Filming in secret is bad enough but posting that is reprehensible. Regardless of if they are on another web site I think consent is important.

Yes they rent us their pussy's but if you treat them with respect they will also bring much more to the session. Capt Dave, Dickhead and some of the others understand this. I feel sorry for the rest that look at it as assisted masturbation, you miss out on a lot.

My .02

[Muf Diver]

I stayed at Hotel Almendra suggested by the fellow mongers on this board. I was very happy that I chose to stay there. The hotel was very close to a mall and it was very easy to get a quick bite.

By the way, the Carretera Masaya was between the mall and Hotel Almendra. One evening, I walked between the mall and the Casino Phoenix. Within a third of a mile I counted about 30 SWs around 9:30 pm.

There are a lot of girls on Carretera Masaya. All want about $16 for 1 - 2 hours or $30 for the whole night!

There is an excellent choice of girls on this road. The girls on this road, in my opinion, are substantially better than the girls I found at Polankos.

I shall post photos and other ibformation soon.