Photo Gallery - Discussion

[Rocky Mtn Man]

Jackson,

Even though I do not support pay sites, what I do admire about this one is that even though I have pissed you off, you have not tossed me out on my ass.

I dont remember who said but it was said once, "Even though I disagree with what you said, I would fight to the death for your right to say it".

Rocky Mtn Man

[PurpleNGold]

Atlanta Monger,

Restricting right click does not prevent downloading of the picture. It simply makes it harder to access the capability of the pop-up menu.

You have to understand how the web works. Pictures are not part of a web page. When your browser downloads a page, the HTML contains directions to the browser that an image should be displayed, and a url for the image. THe browser then downloads the pic, places it in the local cache and then renders it on the page.

A couple things about why what you're saying won't work:

1) Restricting right click access doesn't completely restrict access to the pop-up menu. My keyboard (as do most modern windows keyboards) has a 'menu' key that will drop down the pop-up regardless of the javascript trying to prevent that.

2) All I need is the URL to the image and I can pull up the image separate from the page. How do I get this? Simple, just View|Source from the main menu. Then, I can look at the 'src' property of 'img' tag.

3) I don't even need to do step 2. The picture is in my local cache already. All I have to do is view the files in that folder and I will see the jpg, gif, whatever.

And, one final note: Saying that you prevent people from downloading the pictures is the same as saying you prevent people from viewing them. If my computer can't download the data, how can it possibly render it?

[Atlanta Monger]

Originally Posted By Guillermo:

"...I think that the photos should be "locked down" so that they cannot be downloaded or copied from WSG."

Originally Posted By PurpleNGold:
"...within the limit of the current technology in use by WSG, it's not doable. If a pic is not 'downloadable' then it's not viewable at all...The only method currently available to do what you suggest is to use a Java applet that works as a picture viewer."

Not necessarily true, PnG - I'm not sure if Jackson has the ability to add lines to the html code of the forum pages, but it's a rather simple process to restrict right-click access on a web page, essentially eliminating the ability to download and save pictures from that page.

Viewed pics may still appear in the browser's temp directory, but are often renamed so finding a specific one for retrieval would be difficult -- certainly more difficult than just doing a right-click and save.

my 2 cents,

MM

[Rocky Mtn Man]

Anyone can take a photo of anyone, and find somewhere to post it on the Net. This is of course the beauty of the Net in the first place. Free information, all the time. Of course, free usually means there is something about it that does not make it worth paying for. First and foremost, this is a site of opinions which are generated from personal observations. I do not belong to any pay site, nor will I in the future.

Maybe only allow senior members to post pictures and have very strict guidlines on what they can and cannot post. If you breach the guidlines, you drop back to regular membership. This will be more work for you Jackson. Is it worth the extra hassle? I don't know, that is for you to decide.

Even though I like the forum, I will not pay for it. No matter how good it is, how much I like it, or how little is charged for it. I goes against why I use the Net in the first place.

I just love guys like this. I pay $600.00 out of my own pocket every month to host the Forum. Now, I've never asked for any financial contributions, but his openly stated position that it should all be provided to him for free, and that he wouldn't chip in a single penny to support the site if asked, really pisses me off.

Jackson

[PurpleNGold]

Originally Posted By Guillermo:
At minimum (are you listening Jackson?), I think that the photos should be "locked down" so that they cannot be downloaded or copied from WSG.

The point is mute because, within the limit of the current technology in use by WSG, it's not doable. If a pic is not 'downloadable' then it's not viewable at all (how do you think your computer gets the data to display?). Once it's downloaded, it's on the user's local machine and the user can do with the picture as he will.

The only method currently available to do what you suggest is to use a Java applet that works as a picture viewer. The BBS product doesn't support it, so forget it.

[MoonDog]

Cheap,

I tried to drop it, but the guys keep bringing it up again.

Anyway, it is Jackson's to decide.

Moondog

[CheapYngHoLuver]

Geez Moondog.

Get over it. If you dont want to dont look at the pictures. Leave the guys alone who want to post and view. I get your message but as you say it is Jacksons board.....and I think you are in the minority.

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by Guillermo

As far as public vs. private is concerned, I totally disagree with you. Yes, I'm sure there are a lot of guys who take from the WSG without ever contributing. Makes no never mind to me, that's their loss.

Actually it is our loss too.

There are also a lot of guys like myself, who stumbled upon WSG by accident, were fascinated by the wealth of information that exists here, were inspired to make their own trip and ended up contributing something to the board, small as that contribution may have been.

That will never happen on a private board.

Yes it will, and does, over and over again. Saint is only one of the posters on WSG who was intrigued by my BA guide on another board, and that encouraged him to look further into the scene in BA. He found a lot of info from the private board, and has contributed a lot to that board and this one.

Look, I'm not looking for kudos, and I really do not care if the site is pay or not, as that is Jackson's decision. The pay is just another way of keeping the information private. Jackson started down the right road with the Argentina Private site, and maybe that is the way to go. Keep WSG open and free, but keep the photos off it unless they are in a private area, password protected, and by private invitation only. Reports of detailed information could be posted in there as well, with graphics and photos.

To start off, Jackson can grant access to the guys that he already knows, accept recommendations from any one of us that he knows, and each person would have their own unique ID and password. This area would not be accessible to the general public, and say after six months or a year, that area would only be accessible to those who have made contributions, or those who want to pay a fee to have access. It will be Jackson's decision on the posters he wants to grant free access to.

Many boards have both. They have a free section, but at the same time, if guys want more in depth reports and photos, they can pay for it. If they do not think they are getting their money's worth, they do not have to renew for the private section and yet have WSG free and open like it is now.

The choice is up to Jackson, as it is his board, and I am sure he will make the correct decision. You make a good point about restricting access to the photos, not being able to copy and paste, or save it. But even with that, I just do not think that it is a good idea to post photos of the girls on such a free and open board.

Keep the site the way it is now, just restrict the viewing of photos.

One man's opinion, enjoy the life.

Moondog

[Guillermo]

Moondog,

I too have mixed feelings about allowing people to post pictures here. While I enjoy seeing the photos as much as the next guy, I can't help but feel that it will come back to bite us in the long run.

If we were all "saints" and only posted pictures of chicas who are actively promoting themselves on the internet, and made sure that the pictures were taken with the knowledge and consent of the model, then there would be no problem. Unfortunately, there are too many "dickheads" in this world who would love nothing more than to take advantage of some chica by posting that compromising picture that "no one will every see".

I understand Jackson's position on this. One more picture on the internet is like one more grain of sand on the beach or drop of water in the ocean. Ultimately, it's insignificant, unless, of course, it's a picture of you. You and I understand that once that picture is on the Web, there is no way to know who will see it or how it will be used. At minimum (are you listening Jackson?), I think that the photos should be "locked down" so that they cannot be downloaded or copied from WSG. They should only be viewable in real time by an authorized user who is logged in. This would help to limit nefarious use.

All it takes is for one chica to find out that her pictures are on the web, and all the rest will know within weeks. At that point, gringos with digital cameras will become personae non grata muy pronto.

But, it is Jackson's football, and he can play by any rules he wants.

As far as public vs. private is concerned, I totally disagree with you. Yes, I'm sure there are a lot of guys who take from the WSG without ever contributing. Makes no never mind to me, that's their loss. There are also a lot of guys like myself, who stumbled upon WSG by accident, were fascinated by the wealth of information that exists here, were inspired to make their own trip and ended up contributing something to the board, small as that contribution may have been.

That will never happen on a private board.

As a result of reading WSG, I did end up joining a private board (which shall remain nameless). There is a wealth of very detailed and specific information that no responsible monger would want to expose to the great unwashed. As well as lots of pictures. But, to be honest, it gets a little boring. It's basically a private club for American men who monger almost exclusively in Central and South America and Asia to a certain extent. Which is great, more power to them. But the section on Europe is very limited, and Eastern Europe in particular. Most of the current posts are months old. Some of them were posted last year.

On WSG, people of all nations are posting from all over the world. WSG is a much more diverse, active and open resouce than the private sites will ever be, precisely because it is public.

I have to take my hat off to Jackson. For his generosity in providing us with this marvellous resource free of charge as well as for his magnaminity by inviting everyone in and treating us all as equals. From Tio Otto, to Dickhead to Nibu, no less, and even my humble self. I'm no industrial strength monger, like most of the rest of you guys, but even I have my moments.

He doesn't have to ask for our opinions on anything, but he does. How marvellous. and I hope it stays that way.

Guillermo

[MoonDog]

Gladiator,

When I first started in this hobby on the internet, I really had to dig to find a board devoted to this hobby. Once it was found, I took out a trial subscription for 2 months, liked it, and joined for another year. From that board, I was invited to join four others, all of them password protected, and all of them invitation only and/or subscription based. I have met many, many good people from these boards, and even though the owners of these boards can grant access because of content contributions, I still contribute monetarily to their success. It takes money and time to run these boards, and I feel the owners should be compensated for their time, by contributions of money or content, or both. I have no financial interest in any of these sites, nor have I even met any of the owners of the boards outside of Jackson of WSG.

The only way that these sites keep going and keep the interest up are through hobbyists’ contributions through reports and money. Why then, should others who do not contribute, be allowed to have access? In every one of the other sites, if there are no contributions with reports or monetary means, then the membership is lost. Everybody contributes, and in more ways than by saying how many girls they poked in one day. I would venture to say that WSG could cut 90% of its members, and not lose good reporters. When a person writes up a good report, it encourages others to do the same. IF WSG were a pay site, you would get rid of the freeloaders and encourage better reporting as then we would be talking to a smaller group of guys, and you know they are contributing with either money or reports, or both. Everybody would be contributing to the success of the fourm.

Regarding posting of photos, my concern is not so much copy and paste, but the girls or their families, knowing full well about WSG, and knowing that it is free and easy to gain access. The other boards are not well known, if at all, and are by invitation or pay only, so it is a small select group of people dedicated to the hobby. I say small as compared to WSG. If the photo section and full report section of WSG were taken private, the girls and their families would not have access as they would not be invited, and unless they were told about the site, would not even know it existed. You don’t see Jackson posting photos on here, do you? He won’t because it is so open to the public.

You can either agree or not, everybody is entitled to their opinion. I just personally will not post any detailed reports or photos in such a public forum.

Moondog

[Saint]

People will have strong feelings on this issue of sharing photos. Gladiator, you make some valid points about how even pay sites don't prevent guys from downloading them and posting them elsewhere on the internet.

Like I said, Moondog is a friend of mine. I can say with certainty that he doesn't have any financial interest in any of the pay sites. He is a guy that enjoys traveling and helping other guys. He is also a gentleman that cares about the feelings about some of these girls. Yes, a guy can download pictures from the pay sites but the chances of the girl accessing her own picture on that site is slim to none due to the fact that she has to register with a credit card. I think that was the only point he was trying to make.

Again, most girls in Buenos Aires not only know about the internet but also have email addresses. I've only met a handful that didn't have an email address. (Keep in mind I'm not calling girls from the Clarin like some of the dudes that go there). The girls on Platynum, Escorts-Argentina, Area-Vip, et. al know about the power of the internet. Most of the club girls know about it too. These girls all talk with one another. I've even had some girls ask me to post their picture in the hopes of getting more business. I asked them how they knew about it and they said that random guys were coming into the club asking for "Jane Doe" without even knowing who she was. It wasn't long before the girls figured out it could be good for business.

The past several trips I haven't even taken pictures. It gets old after a while. But when I was taking them I'd have two cameras. One regular and one digital. I thought it was funny that many of the girls would laugh and say the digital one was for internet pictures. If you go back and read some trip reports I think i even mentioned that fact. Still, out of the hundreds of pictures I have I don't have their express permission so I'll block out their faces or not post them.

Even though I'm posting pictures I'm only posting pictures of girls that expressly gave me permission to post their picture on the internet or I blocked out their face. I really think that there should be some unwritten rules when it comes to posting pictures. (1) either you get their permission to post on internet; (2) you block out their face to provide them with privacy; (3) you took the picture YOURSELF. Do NOT post pictures that you did NOT take. There was a case of some dude posting pictures he claimed to have taken and I found the website that he cut and pasted from. Needless to say he ended up looking like a jackass. The girls he were posting weren't even in the business. That is the biggest problem I see with ANY internet site that allows you to post pictures (public or private).

Everyone has opinions on this. No one is right or wrong as long as they stay civil and use good judgement. Have fun all.

[Gladiator]

Originally posted by MoonDog
Easy,

Let's just agree to disagree as this could go on for a while. I just know that until there is a private side of WSG, I will not be posting any photos or websites.

Respectfully,

Moondog

MoonDog,

Why are you so interested in turning this forum into a pay site? Don't you know that there are already other pay sites? Yes, you do know that since you are posting in them, but then, why do you need one more pay site? Haven't you realized that all those other pay sites are second-rate in comparison with the WSG? Haven't you realized that the WSG is the best site for worldwide hunting precisely because it is free? Have you got any financial interest in any of those other sites? I suppose so, I can't find any other reason for your pointless posts.

Yes, MoonDog, keep posting your compromising pics and superb webpages in those other sites, they are very safe there, it is really difficult to access them, in fact to see them there are 2 options:

1. Pay a few bucks, which is what all those wonderful alternative sites charge for having complete access to all their content -then you can use the copy and paste functions to post their content wherever else you want on the net. Have you ever heard about the copy and paste functions, MoonDog?

2. Get familiar with hacking forums and get FREE paswords to access those other second-rate forums where you can read and view all their content (worse in every sense than the WSG, by the way), and obviously you can use the copy & paste functions too to post MoonDog's last lay pics all over the net so that her computer literate family see her next time they get on line.

MoonDog, as you see there is no point banning free access to pics in this forum if you are posting them somewhere else that is also under a heavy exposure to, let's say, unscrupulous users.

MoonDog, if you really want to avoid the risk of your next lay being exposed all over the net just don't take any pics of her, or take them and keep them for yourself by not posting them anywhere.

As soon as you post them (either on a pay or free site) you are giving them away.

[MoonDog]

Easy,

Let's just agree to disagree as this could go on for a while. I just know that until there is a private side of WSG, I will not be posting any photos or websites.

Respectfully,

Moondog

[Easyas123]

Moondog...
The sites I am speaking of are not password protected. I know that there are some out there that are, but in the area of the country I am located, that is the exception, not the norm. The pay sites actually have a rep of being shady as a few of them allow the lady being reviewed to pull their posts if they do not like them. Which of course is the POINT of the review.

I do not understand how posting photos without permission would not police itself. If the monger in question does not get permission to post the photos, wouldn't you WANT his name to be mud?

Quote: " All hell breaks loose, and immediately the word gets out in that cafe and others not to trust a certain guy, or worse yet, never to allow any more photos. This can happen within 24 hours, and believe me, these girls are so networked, that the guys's name will be mud in a day or two, especialy if he is well known."

Wouldn't that be the penalty for not asking permission? And is the loss of photo permission such a great loss? I have been mongering for a bit now and I have never felt a sense of loss from not having phots of the ladies, even the ones I am close to.

And as far as pay sites go, wouldn't someones brother be just as computer savvy on a pay site as much as a free site? If someones brother/father is out looking for a pro on the internet, then if they are any good, they are gonna find SOME reference somewhere. Otherwise the internet would be a pointless place to look for that info. Even if all sites like this one were pay sites, then anyone who was serious would end up paying...and see what was there.

I don't AT ALL mean to tell you, or anyone else what to do with their photos. They belong to you, do with them what you will. I will say however that any info on the net, that is not small and protected better than a misslile silo is going to get out.

Thank you all for your ear and your courtesy.
Easy as 1-2-3

[MoonDog]

Originally posted by Easyas123
Perhaps I am missing some essential part of the "style" of Argentina, but doesn't this thing kind of police itself? Please allow me to explain:

I monger on the east coast of the US and there are a lot of sites that have reviews of the ladies. The standard to most reviews, (unless the lady is a ripoff), is that you have her permission before you decide to start writing. If you violate this rule, the lady notices, and she spreads the word to her buddies and that monger gets locked out for a while.

If there is a issue with picture taking, wouldn't it work out the same way? If the ladies in B.As. are as computer savvy as you claim, they should either 1:already be offended by the stories that go into deep detail, with names, dates and detailed sexual happenings, (which I guess is not the case), or 2: be able to figure out who posted their pics and freeze him out.

I cannot imagine that there will suddenly be a backlash against native english speakers in this trade due to a few pics, there is too much money to be made. I suppose if this became an unwanted thing, the girls would just stop letting you take pics of them. Now granted they are nice looking and pics are good memories, but if it came down to it, does it matter that much?

Also, wouldn't you already have to have a decent relationship with the lady before you could start snapping away? When I read the posts of the old timers down there they read like two old friends getting together. I suppose that is why they let you take pics in the 1st place, they trust you. Would the same thing apply if a stranger wanted to take pics?

The above was just thinking out loud. As I said I have never been, so I don't know the full score. Personally however, I like seeing the pics because 1: it lets me know what the ladies REALLY look like and 2: it give me something to set my mind to saving up the $$$ for the trip.

Good job everyone on keeping the tone polite and respectful and remember to take it ...
Easy as 1-2-3

Easy,

It really does not police itself. The sites that you mention that have reviews of the girls are password protected and you usually have to pay a fee to get all the details.

The girls in BA are very giving, and although many are computer savy, a lot are not. But maybe someone in their family is. A guy can meet a girl in a cafe, have some fun, take some photos, and aftrer she leaves, post them on WSG for the world to see. Along comes her brother looking at a free and available website for info, and stumbles across the photo gallery in the Argentina section, and see his sister.

All hell breaks loose, and immediately the word gets out in that cafe and others not to trust a certain guy, or worse yet, never to allow any more photos. This can happen within 24 hours, and believe me, these girls are so networked, that the guys's name will be mud in a day or two, especialy if he is well known.

This will not happen in an invitation only protected site, as the girls will not be allowed in, and if a pay site, they will not pay.

You say you have never been to BA. I have a website that is meant for the newbie to BA, and will give you a taste of what there is to offer is this fantastic city. It is updated on a regular basis to four different pay and pay/invitation only/password protected websites. The members of those sites benefit from other reports just like it. Yet until there is a private or pay section for this sort of item, I will not post it here.

I love to share the photos, but in a limited way.

Moondog