Buenos Aires - 2002 Reports

[MoonDog]

Miami,

The only website in BA that is 100% wysiwyg is:

www.escorts-argentina.com

[MoonDog]

Godfather, nice photos. Thanks

[Saint]

OK Turkeys. I'm in a good mood so I decided to share a few pictures but I'm blocking out the faces to protect the "innocent' (and guilty..ha, ha). I'm getting way too much email asking for pictures.

I'll be very busy the next few months with work. Saint has to work hard to pay for future upcoming trips to Buenos Aires this year. (2 possibly 3).

Please don't ask me for where these girls work, contact info, etc. I just posted to give you an idea what's out there. All the chicas are from clubs or internet sites. This is only a sample of the girls I saw. I took all of these pictures personally. I have yet to have a bad session in BA but keep in mind I've yet to have a bad session with any escort. I seem to have good luck with chicas in and out of the hobby.

Notice in some of the pictures the funky wall paper. That was my room at the Etoile. The wallpaper was very outdated and whacky. It kind of gave me a headache after a while. The Diplomatic Suites have better decor and are bigger. Compare it with the nice decor of the Art Suites.

P.S. I have no agenda other than helping you guys. Like I said, I'll be busy the next few months so if you email me and I don't respond I'm not ignoring you...just gotta make some money.

Oh yeah, before I forget.... I'd stay clear of that chicas-top website that dude mentioned. My friend called a girl from that site. I told him she was too good to be true. Well...I was right. Some girl that was NOT the girl in the picture showed up. The girl tried argueing with him so he gets out his print out and starts showing her that is NOT her. She admits it. I'm not even sure if he gave her any money to leave. My rule of thumb is if the girl that shows up is the girl in the picture and you aren't happy with her for some reason... give her some pesos for coming out. REMEMBER, those websites have airbrushed photos for the most part. If the girl is NOT the girl in the website I don't think you have to feel obligated to pay anything. Personally I probably would throw her a few pesos just to avoid a scene and get rid of her. Use your judgement.

Also, go to BA...don't go to BA. I could care less. Just be happy wherever you are, take time to smell the roses, be good to people and smile. Life is good.

[Octatron]

What is everybody's favorite disco amateur pussy spots? Like maybe the top three or so? Not really referring to Blacks or playwoman as those are more structured

[Octatron]

Saint,

Great job.

I hope your not trying to get any money out of us for ordering any of the images.

But Seriously, another informative post from one of the Forums most consistent collobrators. Second to only Jackson of course.

[santaclaus]

CJS-

Glad to know that a fellow like you was able to wing it, hardly knowing how to speak Spanish. It gives me hope.
Would like to know which websites you’ve used. If you’ve deviated from the standard platynum.ar, or area-vip.
The chicas at chicas-top websites have mighty fine women, and I was wondering if you’ve ever used their service.


SC

[Saint]

I also posted this in the "General Section" as a response to some dude that was crying about receiving some Provencial money. Guys, as I've posted before, make sure you're getting Federal Notes (Will say Banco Central de Republica Argentina).

It's YOUR responsibility to check your change when getting money converted. Also, when getting change from stores. I've never had any problem with this but I know a few dudes that got some notes that were not Federal notes.

For those of you that are kind of slow on the uptake of processing info.... I've made a visual aid for you at the site below. Notice in picture number 6/6. Their peso note is the same size as our US Dollar. Also, note the security measures in their peso's just like our newer bills. They also have a foil strip in them that will glow under a black light. The casa de cambia near Etoile always shines the black light when giving change so you can see it. Also note that many exchange places will give you an even better rate of exchange if you're exchanging more than $500 US at a time.

http://www.shutterfly.com/osi.jsp?i=...21b30b3f0e848d


Good luck.

Don't say I never did anything for you.

[Harry]

This is my first post on the forum. While searching for information to use for a vacation trip I came across the forum and it provided me with all the information I needed to decide on BA as my destination. To satisfy my curiosity I had to read all the 2002 posts and some of the older posts. With all the knowledge I had gained organized on a few pages and with a lot of printed material of chicas from several websites I arrived in BA for a twelve day stay around the labor day weekend. Since I'm not a night owl i had decided that girls from websites were the best entertainment for me. I probably had spent too much time on the forum and chica websites as the great look and feel of BA came as a pleasant surprise.
I should mention that my language skills consisted of being able to say "I don't speak Spanish I speak English. A few additional phrases that I thought may be helpful I also had tried to remember. You might think that I'm a little crazy in thinking I could call chicas on the phone without language skills but the thought never crossed my mind as I had a long list of girls who spoke English or "basic English". Well, their "basic English" was only slightly more advanced than my non-existant Spanish. Still, after having constructed a little monologue I was having chicas show up on the appointed times after having negotiated a price. I stayed in an apartment and initially the phone didn't allow me to call cell phones as the charges were reversed. The purchase of a Telecom Global phone card solved that problem. Pressing the #sign after the greeting allowed me to follow directions in English.

The chicas were nice pleasant girls without any attitude. As a rule I didn't see a need to negotiate for a low price as I was quoted a low of 80 pesos/hr and a high of 200 pesos/1.5 hr. I'll post another message with names and quoted prices for the benefit of those who are confused about the price structure.

To all those who have BA on their radar screen and are concerned about going I recommend you take the leap. If a 50+ year old guy without language skills can have a great time you can.

To those who posted messages in the past a big thank you. Your information helped make my stay pleasant and easy. Thanks to you all.

[Leo]

well, this is why we love b.a. so much. big generalization, but the attitude/girl you describe is more typical with an e. european or even american. in b.a., you'll find most the girls, including the web sites (assuming you stick to the 3 or so "approved/endorsed" ones - see past posts), are not that way. they are sweet, provide gfe, and will expect you to have your way (as appropriate).

hey i live in south beach, and i'm quite young, so i know where you're coming from (regarding woman, etc). rest easy, you won't be dissapointed, and since you've read the past posts you've probably got enough info to have a great time.

[Miami]

Hi Drgn,

I understand what you are saying.
I really didn't want to make it out as a "us vs them" although
I understand how it came off that way.
I was just trying to say that some of these girls have very
negative attitude towards guys who want to pay them for a
good time even though that is there job.
Maybe it is because I am younger and am not used these types
of girls with attitudes (when I'm paying them good money).
I noticed that some of these types of hardened girls try to get
pushy with everything including how much they should receive
and how the session should go. But after I tell them, "Look, I'm
paying and I should decide how the session goes', they usually
reduce the attitude and are more flexible.
Anyway, IMHO.

I know that all girls are not like this and there are many
sweathearts out there. I treat these girls very well an usually
end up hanging out with them during their off time.
You probably know a bunch down in BA, so believe me, I'm
not going down there to abuse the girls, but if I run into one
with a big attitude I'm going to do my best to put her in her
place.

I am planning to go out there and have a great time too,
but I am nervous about getting screwed by these web-sites.
I've already read all the reports in the BA section, and saw
that people are talking to the WebMaster to verify if the pictures
are accurate. That's why I want to help out everyone by getting
plenty of pictures and info so everyone can choose easier.

Sorry if I upset you ..
I'll send you all pics and info when I get back..

Miami

[drgn]

Saint,

Thanks for the kind words. Just doing my part for the board.

One more comment about the Alvear Palace story. You'd be surprised at the number of women who OFFER to do the deed unprotected when you make them feel the way they want to feel. (Not that I recommend such activity; it's just a positive statement about the way the evening is going!)

There is a difference between a "sex worker" and a "woman who does sex work". One of the greatest gifts you can give the second is to help her forget what she does for a living. And, when you're able to effectively do that, you both cross a dividing line where it stops being YOUR fantasy and starts becoming HERS. She's able to mentally enter a place where there are no smoky bars with loud music, no ugly/smell/grossly overweight guys pumping away on her, no guys treating her like shit just because they have money.

When it's HER fantasy, she becomes the one that doesn't want it to end. She becomes the one that doesn't want to talk about money. She becomes the one who RIPS OFF THE CONDOM and tries to mount you unprotected while French kissing you passionately. Because for that moment, however long it lasts, you cease being her "client" and become her "lover". And as I mentioned in a previous post, there are certain rules and limitations that apply with a "client". When you're her "lover" those rules and limitations simply vanish…

Women, in general, tend to be bottomless pits of low self-esteem. For a woman who does sex work, you can multiply that feeling a hundredfold! So, how do think she'll respond when you come along and actually make her feel good about herself as a woman? Hmmm….

P.S. Life becomes REALLY interesting when you learn to do this with women outside the hobby J.

[Ferolga777]

As far as a bad experience. One night I went to Sodoma. I start talking to this girl in a bodysuit. She looked hotter than boiling oil. So I start buying her the requisite drinks and when I say all right let's go. She starts coming up with excuses. That she wanted to stay a bit longer and dance with me. So we danced, and, a little while later I tell that I want her to come with me and I want to know how much.

She first says 150 pesos. I say agree to that price. She says, "No, wait. 200 pesos." I say, "Fine." She says, "250 pesos." I say, "That's good, too." Then she flakes out and starts begging me to buy her another drink and that when she finishes the next drink she will go with me. I then realize that she won't be coming with me no matter how many drinks I buy her.

So, I told her, "Look. Clearly you don't like it here and you don't like what you do. And you don't like me. So, let's call it off. My bad. I should have known from the way you were sitting by yourself staring at the wall."

She thanked me and kissed me on the cheek and said she was sorry. That was my first and last time in Sodoma.

[Saint]

Damn Drgn. I already liked your "online persona" from your posts while you were in BA but even more after reading your response to Miami. Guys, attitude guys a long way down in Buenos Aires and everywhere else in the world.

Some other things to consider. If your a dick with a girl from one of the clubs don't think you won't be known as a dick with the other girls. These girls talk about EVERYTHING with eachother. It would blow your mind. They talk about how much you paid them, your personality, if you're good in bed. Some of you might not care but don't expect to get great service with other girls later on in the club if right out of the gate they all think you're a dick.

I've never had an "us vs. them" attitude. For the guys that are only going down 4 days. Yeah, your time is valuable. Hell, everyone's time is valuable. I don't care if you're an executive making $200,000+ / year or a blue coller worker making $35,000 a year. I know there are a lot of post to go through. Many of us (namely me) post too often to this board. I promise I'll quit. It always takes a few weeks for me to come off of the "BA high". But this board to many of us has become kind of a community.

I've met many of you in person, I have lunch with one member every week since meeting him, talked to several on the phone, emailed with several (some around the world). You all are a bunch of great gentleman! OK..I'll stop. I plan on being in BA at least two maybe 3 more times before the year is up. I know a ton that are going down in October and November.

I'd also love to read from guys that might have been disappointed with BA. What didn't you like? So far, every guy I've emailed with after going since May (about 25+) has loved it! That should tell you something.

P.S. You should know that your actions are not without consequences. I know of one chica who was with a guy last week. He was doing an all nighter. The dude was staying at the Alvear Palace. Anyway, while she was sleeping the guy tried slipping his 'willy' into her unprotected. Not cool..... When she woke up she was so pissed she made a scene. She starts yelling and screaming and the hotel management comes up. For those that haven't stayed in the Alvear Palace...this place is majestic. I'm sure the dude was embarrassed to no end.

[Ferolga777]

I have found that being nice to the girls. Treating them as a girlfriend, that is, joking around with them, opening doors for them, making it look like I picked her up a regular bar, offering them chocolates and tea and good dinners and great breakfasts, etc ..., gets them in a better mood.

From conversations with these girls I have found that many of them are unhappy that a series of circumstances has led them to become "comfort women." These girls are held in contempt by society, they are "putas" in the eyes of everyone.

Also there's a lot of abuse that a lot of these girls get-- from the club owners, from the customers, from the other girls-- therefore, oftentimes, they are thankful when someone treats them nicely.

I've had girls that really went the distance with me and told me that the reason that they were so acrobatic with me was because I was sweet to them and that if they didn't like the customer they would just lie there and wait for him to stop humping.

I like to create a fiction of civility and courtship. I want my dick teased and pleased, and if being extra nice gets the job done, so be it.

[drgn]

Miami,

In a word…relax. After reading that post, it's apparent that your "frame" for this whole experience is one of "its us versus them". And if you truly ARE from Miami, (and not well heeled with a perfect body), I can fully understand the source of that set of expectations. My recommendation is that you go back to May 2002 and start reading ALL of the longer travel reports. We've posted a lot of information about our actual experiences. What you'll find when you do that is a large disconnect between those reports and the "negative frame" you seem to have already placed around your upcoming adventure in beautiful BsAs.

I don't know you. I know nothing about your level of skill with women inside or outside "the hobby". But, what I do know is that people have a tendency to find what they're looking for. So, if you want it to be a struggle, if you want to spend your time proving that you have the money and the control, if you want to invest energy in "not taking shit from these girls and making them obey", then you certainly have that option and you'll have the kind of experience that matches THAT particular set of beliefs. If, however, you were to READ THOSE POSTS and align your attitude with what's presented in those posts, you'll find yourself having a much better adventure. It's totally up to you.

Drgn