Madahos

[El Perro]

While 5p seems like very little money to most of us, it is not so to many locals. And, definitely not chump change if it adds up at the end of the night (s) For a better perspective on this, check out the recent thread were local incomes are discussed. I am sure many locals eat on less than 10p a day. In fact, half that for many. So, 5p is nothing to sneeze at.

[Jackson]

Yes, but the only reason the club is selling drinks in the first place is because of the girls.

Hi Esten,

OTOH, the only reason the girls are selling their pussy to the clubs customers (at the inflated club prices) is because of the club.

5p from an 80p drink seems very lopsided to me. I think 20p per drink would be more equitable without detracting significantly from the girl's incentive to sell her services.

Perhaps it would be more fair if the girls received 20% of the clubs drink price and the clubs received 20% of the chicas "service fee".

If the average girl is really selling 6-12 drinks and making 30-60p per night as you say, then I don't feel quite as sorry for them. But I find that a little hard to believe. In a typical hour I've spent in Madahos on a busy night, I recall about 1/3 of the girls are with customers who have bought them a drink (maybe two) and 2/3 of the girls are alone / with their friends. Add to that the drinks that the girls occasionally buy themselves during the course of the night. It would seem to me that every night there are several girls who go home with barely enough to cover cab fare. Of course I could be wrong, these are just my limited observations and speculations.

Just take a seat at the bar near the "controller" (The guy who clocks the girls in and out and who redeems their drink tickets) near the end of the night and watch the girls cashing in their drink tickets as they leave for the evening.

Additionally, you should factor in that the club typically gives the girls two free drinks every night, so with these plus the drinks that the customers are buying them, they're not generally buying many drinks for themselves.

BTW, it's rather strange to find my self defending the position of the club.

Jackson

[Dancesw/Chicas]

... Poor chicas, not money for the cab back home. Please!

What about the 1000 pesos they got the night before with the 200 dollar foreign and the 400 pesos argentino. We are there only once in a while, those chicas are there every night.

DWC

[Esten]

Yes, but the only reason the club is selling drinks in the first place is because of the girls. 5p from an 80p drink seems very lopsided to me. I think 20p per drink would be more equitable without detracting significantly from the girl's incentive to sell her services.

If the average girl is really selling 6-12 drinks and making 30-60p per night as you say, then I don't feel quite as sorry for them. But I find that a little hard to believe. In a typical hour I've spent in Madahos on a busy night, I recall about 1/3 of the girls are with customers who have bought them a drink (maybe two) and 2/3 of the girls are alone / with their friends. Add to that the drinks that the girls occasionally buy themselves during the course of the night. It would seem to me that every night there are several girls who go home with barely enough to cover cab fare. Of course I could be wrong, these are just my limited observations and speculations.

[Jackson]

5 pesos to the girl for each drink. I must say that is really cheap on the part of Madahos.

The club makes it's money selling drinks.

The girls make their money selling their pussy.

They generally keep out of each other's pockets.

It seems balanced to me.

Besides, which would you want: The girls focusing on selling drinks, or selling their personal services.

Thanks,

Jackson

BTW, when the girls get you to buy them one of the house specality drinks that sell for $20-40 pesos more, they get $10 pesos, not $5.

Additionally, what they really get is a ticket for $5 pesos which they can and do use to buy themselves those little drinks you see them get served by the bar, and at the end of the night they can trade all of their remaining tickets in for the cash. This typically amounts to $30-60 pesos each night, even if they didn't have a client, and which is an amount that still exceeds what they would have earned at a "normal" job.

[Esten]

5 pesos to the girl for each drink. I must say that is really cheap on the part of Madahos.

[Jackson]

If a lady drink is 80 pesos there, how much of that does the lady get to keep?

Five Pesos.

[Smoothy]

If a lady drink is 80 pesos there, how much of that does the lady get to keep?

[Esten]

Nicol the Brazilian is still working and will likely be at Madahos for several more months. I've seen her twice in the past and highly recommend her. I spoke with her this trip to BA but didn't take her out. Actually she looked a little less 'fresh' than what I recall before. But her service is top-notch.

Another girl who worked at Madahos for over a year is now at another high-end club. She's a sweet, friendly blond with natural DDs. A little thick. I ran into her at the other club and asked why she wasn't at Madahos anymore. She said there was a bad vibe with the girls at Madahos, and she didn't want to work there anymore.

[Esten]

I think its very important to have ongoing discussion on pricing. Comments from those like Dirk are especially valuable so we can benchmark what we are paying. We may not always strike the best deals but at least this knowledge can help us avoid paying highly inflated amounts.

I general I am mindful of getting what I want, while not contributing to unreasonable inflation in the market. I always negotiate. How hard I negotiate though depends on several variables.

[CarneValistico]

Reading here what has been told is more or less the correct reflection about how prices can raise. I mean I am the best example:

Googleing some internet sites about local escorts and some hot places, coming from (regarding mongering) expensive europe, have no clue about existing - informative - places like this here, and whoooops I offered 4k us$

For an escort for 14 days.

Looking here around, gathering the infos, makes me believe that exactly that is the problem. BEING UNINFORMED!

1. The europeans, esp. French and british collegues, are used to much higher prices. Looking at germans, brithish and french fellows, you can be sure that they all speak more or less english - but so what? It simply doesn't help in BA, even worst, it identifies the visitors to the lady as a tourist. They, inclusive me, simply do not know what is going on here in reality, and so they get " filtered" by the ladies, untill the cash is happyley burned. And the best is they do not even think it was too high priced, noooo, these guys come back next year with the bundle of buddies who they told how cheap the chicas were, and do it again because euro /$ is that comfortable at the moment, that's all! Its as simple like that. The only good news is that flights from europe to BA are a real torture (14 houres) and still expensive.

That will help to " defend " the pricelevel, but noone should think that it will not change to the worst, because since quite a time the chicas theirself found out that esp. In Portugal and Spain, sex is expensive and much higher payed than in BA. Conclusion: Those of us (I am so arrogant and include me) who want to have longterm stabil prices are in danger to monger with ladies who can't afford the flighttickets to europe, or get used to slightly increasing prices. Unfortunately thats the law of market. And we all do not look like Bratt Pitt for whom they would fall down on their knees and suck the toes, while he is playing the violine, correct Jakson?:-)

I try to be nice, as I stated that somewhere else, try to give her a respectfull feeling, show her that a very nice night is waiting for her, and if I smell that she is interested the cards are playing for me, politly spoken.

Ok, guys - don't take it too serious, the germans, french, and british will not arrive like a zunami of Grasshoppers, and crash the market. Its more like melting the I've due global warming;-) cheers!

[Dominicfla]

Following watching the Argentina-Paraguay Copa America game at a nearby restaurant, I went to Madahos to enjoy my last night in town.

I got there a little bit after midnight, and the place was beginning to fill up. Even though I speak some basic Spanish, my American accent is patently obvious and I was quoted prices in US$; the accent undermined my negotiating posture. Quite a few chicas, some more average looking but a few who are genuinely hot. The dancers are definitely the hottest chicas there.

After surveying the scene for while, watching some dancing and talking to a few chicas I honed in on Johanna, a super-petite long-haired portena blond (she is an 8 I would say, maybe slightly higher) After starting with a US$200 demand, we agreed on US$150. She is very lively and a lot of fun – I would certainly recommend her.

Overall costs: AR$50 for my entrance, which included a drink (I had to throw in an extra AR$5 for a Jack Daniels) One chica drink is required, there goes another AR$80 (obviously, make a deal with a chica before buying any of them a drink) Transitorio was AR$45, so. It was about US$210 for the entire experience. I had a big smile on my face when I went to bed that night and in the morning as well, so I think that is sufficient evidence that it was worth it.

P. S. One thing I realized in terms of inflation is that the chica economy is based on increments of 50. At least for boliches, this means that prices typically will increase by increments of that amount (I. E. From AR$150 to AR$200, you won't see a price increase of, say AR$100 to AR$125 or $140) There is a little more price variation with privados.

[Teddybear]

- I'd already paid the girl's drink, so moving onto another girl would mean a loss of the 80p already invested.

That's why I (almost) always negotiate the deal before I buy the chica a drink.

Sounds like you had a good time anyway.

[Veterano]

Esten ~ good report, sounds like you had a good time.

Why do you feel you have to justify what you paid to the price police?

[Esten]

Thanks for the info. I've been to BA several times and I'm aware of pretty much everything you said. I know I could have negotiated down more, especially at that hour. Some contributing factors why I didn't - on this occasion - are:

- I'd just got into EZE at 8pm that evening.

- I'd already paid the girl's drink, so moving onto another girl would mean a loss of the 80p already invested.

- Yes it was 3am, and I should have been thinking 'I can get a good price at this hour', but instead I was focused on 'It's late, I don't have time or interest to invest more time finding a bargain, I just want a good experience to finish the day.'

I go to BA mainly for the club scene. I occasionally visit the cheaper ones but spend most of my time in the high-end clubs. I also (generally) focus on the top 20% girls in terms of looks. My willing price range in these clubs used to be 250-300 range in the past couple years. Based on several factors I've adjusted up to 300-400 range this year (per hour minimum) I thought the 500 I paid was not crazy given that it was for 2 hours. Again, I agree I could have negotiated down further though, given the late hour. I just didn't care at that point, for the reasons above.