2005 Reports

[Joe Francis]

Justmoi,

I have tried Brazil. About 6 times. Thats why I'm jaded. I just came here because the exchange rate in Brazil is in the toilet. Looks like I will be back in Brazil. The problem with this place is there is a direct correlation between looks and price. Not so much in Brazil. Never been to Uruguay. Care to elaborate.

[Justmoi]

LOL! Joe - I'm on your bandwagon! I enjoy reading the forums here quite a bit. But traversing from my home in the US to my home in Cordoba, Argentina and typically passing through Buenos Aires and Brazil, I can say I've had enough experiences to personally wholeheartedly agree with you. But, I've come to my own conclusion that the glowing reviews I read about a lot of these places in BA might be from those not personally exposed to what you or I may have exposure to (or those looking for bargain basement deals) and hence why I am just as jaded as you are. I'm quite certain there are others that feel the same as you. Those would be the types that don't settle for mediocrity.

I'm an executive with a large US company (semi-retired, single and still a sprite 42)! So I don't typically settle for low budget anything and certainly don't travel half way across the world just to find a "deal" on well used women. I would rather pay what most posters here consider outrageous sums of money and stick with the members only clubs in the US. But the money aspect is nothing more than perspective. Outrageous to one is minimal to another.

Personally, I enjoy visiting some of the clubs in BA for their entertainment value. The culture is different, the girls different, the way of doing things a little different. Though I will tell you, it's amazing how far they will kiss your butt at the BA clubs if they already know you spend $$. It's pretty fun walking into one or two clubs with a couple of friends and them knowing you and immediately catoring to you with the best girls right away (even though their best girls may not be much to talk about - but bless their hearts for trying!). Cuts down on the "trolling".

I firmly believe that those that find frustration at the clubs in BA are those looking for "killer deals" (my friends and I call them "blue-light specials") or those that are already used to much better. In which case, it would be easy to be jaded. You have to remember that just as anything other business, the clubs you visited cator more towards the tourists who wouldn't know any different. Have you seen prices for the junk they sell at Telmo?

Why not try a different atmosphere. Try going to a club outside the city that cators to the locals. There are quite a few places outside the "tourist traps" where it doesn't cost much for a beer and a girl and you'll have a fun time playing some pool and then deciding if you want to take the girl out with NO PRESSURE (I wish I had the names for you, but if you speak spanish just ask a taxi driver). Since most these places cater to the locals, you don't hear much about them. Or try heading to Cordoba. You can find brothels there in the local paper and since it's not so tourist laden as BA is, the prices may be more to your liking. Or try Brazil, even Uruguay, where they are a little more relaxed. Personally, if I were a true "monger" I'd be enjoying Brazil more than Argentina. If you're in BA strictly for the mongering and nothing else, I would say you're in the wrong place if you're looking for top quality places and girls. While they might exist, they are few and in between. You might also find it less frustrating if you treat all this as an adventure. Kind of like sightseeing! LOL! You'll eventually find the ones that you like and don't like. But you just have to keep an open mind. Of course, if you're on a budget of some sort, maybe this may not be the best perspective.

Keep in mind that my perspective is different than most on here (from what I read). I wouldn't personally walk out of any of these clubs with a girl unless she was model quality (in my eyes) and caught my interest (in which case, they'd most likely be $$$ compared to the norm). I can count the girls I've left with at the clubs you mention on one hand. I tend to lean more towards the higher quality services (or private introduction services). I've also had very good limited success with Internet services Platynum and AreaVip.com. My perspective is that you get what you pay for though. I don't really look for the sex "quicky". I like hiring a girl for a nice outing / date and making an entire day or evening of the experience. What I've found in my experience is that the right high priced girls offer the following advantages:

They are more likely to take care of themselves since they have the means ($$$) to do so.

They are typically very well educated (I have taken them to fundraising and other functions and have never worried about having them make me look bad - and it's cool knowing I will be spending the night with them when we get home)

They typically dress immaculately and look stunning.

They make excellent travel companions and I've never had a dull moment.

They have less mileage because the average joe can't afford them.

Again, this is all just my opinion and just the way I go about things. It certainly may not fall into the purest definition of "mongering". But I do empathize with your frustration!

P.S. They've been playing the 80's music for years, even in Cordoba. I find it hilarious! Of course, Miami Vice and the Simpsons seem to be the iconic TV shows there so what would you expect! LOL!

[Joe Francis]

I havent been to Costa Rica in about 2 years but I use to pay about 60 bucks for a girl there for a few hours, maybe more. Are you telling me that place has gone down also. The Columbians were always high but the ticas were good for 50 to 60 bucks. Brazil exchange rate is now 2.18. I was actually thinking of going back to Costa Rica. Are you saying stay away? I was at Newport last night for about 10 minutes. It was awful. One skank after another. I just hung out at the Mcdonalds and had a bunch of chocolate caliente. I really enjoy just relaxing and drinking these things at every cafe here. This is a very zen like place to be if you can't bang hookers. "Dont cry for me Argentina. I only have 2 days left to goooo".

BTW, whats with the fucking 80´s music in this country. Cindy Lauper, Duran Duran and Tears for Fears all in one club. I'm going fucking NUTS! The one good thing about there not being any black people here is that I don't have to listen to fucking rap music everywhere I go, BUT they replaced that with fucking Cindy Lauper. When will it end! They do everything backwards here. Piss off your customers in every way possible.

[Cowpie]

Hey Joe. I've been to Costra Rica a few times, I assume your just pissed about your recent visit to BA. Costra rica is no comparison to BA. Hell it cost Sat least 100 usd / hr for a chica in the Blue Marlin, Costa Ricas' best mongering location. CR chicsa in BA would starve to death if they had to compete with BA babes.

My suggestion, have a few drinks go to Newport and ask for a Chica named Raquel (fake blonde, 30yrs old) She'll spend the complete night for 250 ars and she'll screw your lights out. Tell her, her american gringo friend in Atlanta says Hola, and he'll be in BA in March.

[Joe Francis]

"There are 3 ways to run a hooker bar- the right way, the wrong way, and MY WAY"

I speak spanish well enough to negotiate these girls down. I have done this in every other mongering destination. Wait a minute, this isnt a mongering destination- its higway robbery. When did inflation hit this place? When did girls in madahos and black start to not go below 100.00 US for one hour, or 250 for 3 or 4 hours. In Blacks last night there were about 15 guys and 45 girls. All the girls wouldn't come off their price. The ratio of men to women was not in their favor but they still rather go home alone. When was the last time you could get a girl out of Madahos for 150 pesos for a few hours. Was Clinton president? I hung out in Shampoo for 90 minutes last night after leaving Blacks. Another fucking dump. One fucking dump after another. Cutty Sark-DUMP- Cattos-DUMP-Solid Gold-DUMP- Affaire-DUMP - Cafe Excedra and Orleans-DUMP DUMP DUMP. They are all DUMPS! You say use the internet girls. Hell, I don't have to fly 13 hours for that. I can do that in the US or go to Costa Rica and get girls on the internet. I haven't been this jaded since I sat through that piece of shit movie "Blair Witch Project". I read one glowing review after another about this movie. Hell, Roger Ebert gave it 4 stars. Its the worst fucking movie ever made. How could so many people be so wrong and me be so right. How could there be so many glowing reviews about BA and not one negative one. Amazing. 2 more days until I'm outta here!

[Coupe66]

Has anyone tried Pamela (Gemidos massage) Brunette, very pretty, huge tits, Damaris (Platynum escorts) her new pictures are a great improvement and I wish I tried her out on my last visit. What tits and what a body! What about Mary (Platynum escorts) Brunette, very pretty, huge tits. I visited her once and she had got skinny, was not interested. Now she looks to have filled out again, but are these new or old photos? What about Yohana (Platynum escorts) Brunette, nice tits. Maria Morena anyone, Brazilian, great tits and ass! Donatella (Platynum escorts) blonde, very curvy. Celleste (Platynum escorts) to me looks very natural and seriously gorgeous, anybody tried her?

If you want a recommendation for a chick with a great rack, not skinny, looks much better in the flesh than her photos, try Anita (Platynum escorts) She was tall and seriously curvy and sexy, had a great attitude, and showed me a fantastic time. Definitely worth a repeat visit!

I would upload the photos but can't figure out how to do it, anyone?

[SobeMiami]

I just returned from my first trip to BA. I found it fantastic. Roxana is extremely helpful. She gave me a great tour and all sorts of great information. I asked her help setting up an appointment and not only was the girl great but the rate was 200 pesos not the 300 advertised. I know I overpaid for girls throughout BA, a mistake I will not make again. (Except under unusual circumstances.) Sorry guys. Next trip I will be more careful but this trip I was in a hurry to see everything.

I enjoyed meeting Exon and the Thanksgiving dinner at el Alamo hosted by Peter and Jackson was excellent.

The girls at Black are very expensive and the chica drinks were 80 pesos. I wish we had more options to find the best girls. As Roxana told me sometimes the 100 pesos girls are more fun and better performers than the 600 pesos girls.

I look forward to returning.

[Thomaso276]

Review the Apartment section. 1707 usually gets the best reviews.

Joe: Madahos and Black are notorius for high prices because they cater to rich tourists and upscale Argentines. I have not been to Madahos in almost 2 years and have never been to Black, even though I have lived here for almost three years. If you want to negotiate in there you have to speak spanish. Argentine chicas have a seperate asking price for gringos.

My strong suggestion: go to Platynum.com, pick out a couple of girls and call Roxanne immediately. Highest price for internet chicas are 200 pesos an hour. Now, these same chicas will charge 150 to locals. Some of the girls will charge more to go to your apartment because they lose travel time! But their apartments are nicley appointed and comfortable. Here is one who charges more for delivery:

http://www.platynum.com.ar/Entreteni...ranchesca1.htm

Steve, the board is full of stories about guys having their throats massaged in the clubs by girls who want their business. Personally I do not get into those publlic displays. Buying a drink first is a good sign that your are going to take the girl out. Buying a drink before the deal is struck is not something I recommend.

Get out of Recoleta, go to the triangle, Reconquista, and shop around. Go to Orleans and Excedra during the afternoons. Try a massage.

One good thing: you are only a couple of hours from Rio, you could always turn this trip into a more positive experience by cutting your losses and going to a place where you are more comfortable. I'm not being sarcastic, it just seems that BA and you are not clicking.

[Joe Francis]

The girls at Madahos were fine as hell but expensive. I never said there were no good looking girls there or in BA. They just all hang out at Blacks, Madahos and Sims. I actually went to Solid gold after Madahos and every girl there was a skank. Not only that, but after 5 minutes of talking with the least ugly girl in SG, the hostess says I have to buy her a 40 peso drink JUST TO FUCKING TALK! Are you kidding me. I declined and the girl was told to leave. Its been like that everywhere. I'm at Madahos and I'm talking to the girl for about 10 minutes and she wants me to buy her a drink for 60 pesos. The mgmt says they are not allowed to talk with the guys for a extended period of time without buying a drink. I'm sure there was alot of bullshit with that statement but it was real at every place. "Buy me a drink". Thats all I hear from everybody. I'm sick of it. Thomas, you say I want 3 hours for the price of one. Hell, Thats what I'm used too in Brazil. One other thing: YOU can't GRAB ASS HERE! I'm used to being very hands on at the termas in Brazil and I'm not bothered at all about it. This place is just to much business. As for the apartments, okay, I will check out a apartment. Please post your favorite apartment today and I will check it out tomorrow.

Thanks

[Thomaso276]

Your report was no surprise, neither was the impression you had of BA. You must have posted 25 prior questions about BA that were progressively annoying and too finite (for example: What are 1 or 2 of the highest paying cambios in PV? Who the F*** knows) It was inevitable that you would not enjoy your trip because you needed to know too many specifics.

As you stated: The only good thing about this place is the safety, buying power for food and all things non-chicas, and the people are friendly. Damn man, the ladies are fine and the other aspects of BA are what makes this such a great place. You won't use internet chicas, you won't use Roxanne - a great resource for a first timer, you want three hour sessions for the one hour price, you want girls to meet you after work instead of before work when they can be more flexible with their prices, you go to the most expensive clubs in town and you do not check out any apartments where you have girls delivered for 100 pesos an hour! You come to a large metropolitan city and want the system to adjust to your terms and conditions. Remember you are competing with other mongers who may pay more or less. It is easier to pay a little more than the cheap clients and get what you want. Paying less against corporate types in Blacks and Madahos is chancy, but it can be done.

Enjoy Brazil which not safe, has about the same buying power for worse food and the people are ready to rob you everytime you walk out of your hotel.

Sorry you did not enjoy BA, good luck.

[Joe Francis]

This place is a great place to bring a regular girl from the US or if you already have a regular girl here. The food is incredible and so so cheap. Besides girls, this is the cheapest place on the planet. I had pizza and a Flam dessert which were fucking incredible. The pizza cost me 6 bucks! And the Flam which is the best I ever had in my life was 1.50. Amazing how such a simple dish like pizza can taste so different and so much better in another country. America is really short changing us on the quality of pizza. Ive never had pizza in new york but I doubt it could be as good as here or brazil for the same price. The worst pizza I had in brazil was better than the best pizza in the US. Back to the chicks. When I was in madahos, the lowest I could get a girl to go was 300 pesos for only one hour! That sucks. Anyway, I am heading to Blacks now. Whats the deal with these clubs being empty until 12:00 or 1am. Thats another thing I don't like.

[Starfe]

I've been waiting for a shitty trip report for over a year and 1/2 and now that we got one I'm going back.

God bless you fella.

Starfe

[Joe Francis]

Well, even though I only completed 3 nights, I will make this the last report. This place sucks. I can't believe all the positive reports about this place. Someone said this place is better than Brazil. He must be out of his god damn mind. After the 3rd night, I saw every club. The only one with hot chicks is Madahos, Blacks and Sims. With their bullshit policy of paying girls per hour in drinks, its to goddamn expensive here. The rest of the girls are skanks at the other clubs. The cafe's are awful. As I said before, I'm not into the hour sessions at my apartment or internet girls. I don't want to use Roxanne, since I like to talk to the girls in person and see if I hit it off. The only good thing about this place is the safety, buying power for food and all things non-chicas, and the people are friendly. I'm sticking with Brazil and hope the Real goes in the toilet in the next year. I hate to be so blunt about your favorite country but the truth must be told comparing this place to Brazil. Hell, Costa Rica is better than here.

[Cowpie]

I've been to BA 3 time in the last 2 years and the mongering I've done usually includes the Triangle, Newport, and the internet sites. Yes Newport. There are a few nice ones to be had for the 150-200 ARS range. I usually pay 200 for a 1 hour session, but I've found a few 150's that were just as good.

I'm very picky about quality and service. BBBJ is a given and multiple pops if I'm up to it.

I'm planning to be in BA in either Feb. Or March, maybe we'll meet up and chase some pussy.

[Coupe66]

I have been to BA now 4 times between December 2002 and November 2004 and had fantastic times! But when I am there I seem to calm down and adjust to the fact that I can have amazing sex every day with whichever lady takes my fancy. However being stuck back in freezing northern Europe with a constant hard on I am going insane checking out all the new babes on the Argentinian escort websites. It seems like a never ending production line of new talent.

So I was wondering, maybe this is a bit of a general question, but how does the scene seem now compared to a couple of years ago after their economy crashed? Are as many new ladies going into the business, is their attitude still as good, and what are the average prices for an escort girl, 100 - 150 pesos, or more? The reason I am asking this is because the more the argentinian economy improves and the peso creeps up, I keep expecting the escort scene to collapse as ladies find more 'typical' jobs.

But it doesn't seem to be happening, and I don't think it will, becuase to me, being an escort just seems to be a fairly standard way of making some extra cash in BA and nothing to be ashamed of. Damn I love those BA women! I can't wait to come back in a couple of months, assuming the peso does not go through the roof and Argentinian ladies suddenly become as shy as nuns! Somehow I cannot see either of those two things happening, knock on wood. Any thoughts?