Chica Prices - General Discussion

[Stowe]

Having been to Russia (Moscow, St Pete, Rostov-on-Don and Sochi) I would have to say that Russian women, and possible Eastern European chicas in general, are by far the hottest women around. There are a much greater number of hot women, in fact, I would say that the majority between 18-30 are super hot.

Russian women seemed to age quickly after that. However, if I lived in that shitty climate in those shitty deteriorating communist-built apartments with few job opportunities and thus little, or poor food, I might age rapidly as well.

I must say that my description of life there is a more pronounced problem in cities other than Moscow and St. Pete's, generally speaking.

Suerte.

Stowe

[BadMan]

Badboy13, this is one of your most ridiculous, unsubstantiated statements! Bad --''you are talking about a country where the AVERAGE person holds a Doctorate, generally in either medicine, law, engineering, or some form of physics, be it nuclear, chemical, astro and so on. You are talking about one of the most highly skilled, trained and educated countries in all of Europe. Underpaid, yes, but academically and intellectually prepared on a level not seen in many countries.''

Anything else?

Since when do you substantiate any of the drivel that escapes your lips? I'll answer that, never. I am not going to do your research for you. Do it yourself and if you find anything I have said to be untrue and have cross checked and cross referenced all your findings, then go ahead and post it.

Til then STFU,

Bad

Is it that hard for you to stay on topic?

[Alan23]

This is not mine - found it on the ISG, but find it very entertaining!

[BadMan]

TM,

I don't talk politics here anymore, I only chime in when others feel the need to bash or ridicule forms of government they don't support, that is not what this forum or much less this thread is all about. If you go back on this thread and look where the political references begin you will clearly see I wasn't the one making those remarks.

The main reason for my initial post on this thread was to comment and illustrate the differences in the chica mentality as far as pricing between EEU and SA. That was it, I was asked some specific questions by a fellow monger which I answered honestly.

Bad.

[Toymann]

Well MasterJ. Your post is well taken. I have made four trips to BA in the last year and #5 is coming up shortly. I have also spent three months in eastern europe this past year. My observations are simple. Most likely it is my personal taste, but I find the dark haired south american chicas fantastic. I am not a blonde fan at all and thus found the east block gals a bit lacking in that peroxide sales in eastern europe must be going through the roof. Furthermore, I also found that the european woman were a bit lacking in passion and sexual performance relative to their argie counterparts. In fact, I have been amazed at, given the appropriate approach, how receptive latin women are to having a genuine great time. In other words, if you give an argie chica an ounce of affection, in most cases you get a kilo back. In spite of the fact that this is a p4p interaction. In my humble opinion, south american women ROCK! I did not get the same feeling from their east block counterparts, at all (maybe it was just bad luck) Keep in mind that I am speeking of sexual action only. I am not looking for an scholarly interaction here, just a great all-nighter! I have not posted many reports here in the past but plan to remidy this problem on my upcoming trip. On a final note! I have been following Bad's post for quite some time now and feel that his feedback has been nothing short of fantastic! I have planned a couple of encounters on my upcoming trip based totally on his reports. I find his chica reviews completely credible based on the three common chicas we have both seen. I would suggest however that Bad chill out when it comes to politics. I'm sure growing up we enjoyed the many Canada -CCCP hockey series that created legends in both Canada and the Soviet Union. Who will ever forget the 72 series! Happy Mongering to all and maybe I'll come out of the closet and meet some of you in BA during my upcoming trip. I have always kept a low profile on this board but maybe it's time to step it up on my next visit. I have a VERY busy agenda in store for the chicas on my upcoming trip. Best to all. T

[Master J]

Having started this friendly conversation, I thought I might add my thoughts regarding the subject. While I have not been to Eastern Europe, I was indeed involved with a Uzbekistan beauty, a 10 for sure, trust me on this one, room stopper, gorgeous face, breathtaking body, and did she ever take care of herself. Seven years on / off. Also for the past three had a another gorgeous Argentinian, great face, nice body, knew what to do with it, repeat, knew what to do with it. Making the easy assumption they they all are a little nuts anyhow, my comparisons are this. The Russian was my partner. Intelligent, knew beautiful things, spent like there was no tommorrow, but was interested in the relationship, conversation, cultural, etc.

The Argie drove me a little crazy with the I want you, now I don't, and was on the whole perhaps a little more deceitful in ways. She made it up in passion which I would say was lacking in the Russian player. Interestingly the three women I have known well in BA all have children, seem to be with the wrong men, and see no problem with being alone, in fact prefer it?

My Russian ex says that a Russian woman would never consider being alone, which make me feel that they in one way shape or form are interested in being in a man's company.

When I visit New York / New Jersey they are in the strip clubs and are having a field day with the deperado men with the $20 for a dance thing. Good for them if they can get away with it.

So for me, I am not sure which way I would go. I am sure if I had the privaledge of seeing Kiev and Yalta with the BadBoy as my guide, I would swing to the Eastern European side. They are breathtaking women in my opinion. If I were to go alone there, I think I would be chewed up and discarded without a wingman.

BA is BA. I have always been amazed at the ease and free thinking minds that some of the women have and I truly enjoy that spirit of that. But where did the Grandfather thing come out from? This is about conchitas, no?

[BadMan]

And stop feebly trying to feed our dwindling egos? Maybe.

The time is soon aproaching when I have to go back to Kiev for the summer (June-July) so I decided to read the UA forum and I came across this interesting post by what sounds to be a seasoned Eastern European monger. It made me think of all the pricing discussions that have gone on in the AR forum. He hit the nail on the head as far as EEU mentality is concerned. I can't wait to get back, hot girls here no doubt, but Argie girls just don't compare.

Bad.

Doctor_Skank.

Senior Member.

Reports: 1,259 Quote:

" Originally Posted by Robert1110

I said this very same thing to another ISG member today while having a beer on k street. I guess these idiots want to impress the ladies. Funny thing is, I am sure while the lady is smiling and saying thank you while she is putting the $$ in her purse, she is thinking "dumbass" or the Russian equivalent."

Doctor_Skank:

" I agree in principal with you and I am notoriously cheap when it comes to pro sex. I don't like to pay more than $150/2 hours. And certainly pay less when I can get away with it. I also agree that the girls charging $60/ hour in salons (of which they only keep about half) are often just as hot (or hotter) and sweeter than those RP sharks. Or maybe the RP sharks just figured out a better way to make money.

But assuming Russian / Ukrainian girls think men paying more are "dumbasses" doesn't take into account that they associate wealth (or the ability to pay more) with strength, success and often, attractiveness.

Dumbasses are those paying more than they can afford. Guys paying $300 when they only make $1200 a month.

But guys who pay $300 without blinking an eye because they can. Believe me, girls don't think they are dumbasses. "

[BadMan]

And thank you, you proved you were just baiting,

You did offer to buy a beer and talk shop once and if I recall I declined because I stated first, I don't drink and two, I don't feel it polite to talk politics in friendly company. I did offer to go hit a club and pick up girls. In retrospect, I am glad you said you didn't have the funds to go.

You do seem to have some serious psychological problems DR, and your violent response and threats of physically assaulting elderly forum members in the past proved that to me once, and your self deprecating posts of late have shown that, either you are trying too hard to be accepted or you have some serious self esteem issues going on. Either that or you have the emotional maturity of a 18 year old.

In all honestly, your personal attacks don't really bother me, you have no idea who I am or who my " grandfathers " were. Though it is really sad and telling you have to start bringing up people's families to quell the anger my previous post has caused you personally, again very telling of your own character.

My grandfathers are none of your business and certainly not a topic of discussion on this board or thread you fucking asshole. The one thing I will say is your ASSUMPTIONS about who I am and where I come from are completely wrong, nuff said. People who do know me, know who I am and what I represent. And so your ignorant assumptions about my personal and finacial situation are almost laughable. You have no idea of the degrees I hold or the work I do or have done in the past, you know nothing and yet you try to pretend like you do, but again my personal life isn't really a topic of discussion for this forum or this thread, you got some serious issues going on, I would say more but I am feeling benevolent and do not wish to further clown or embarass you, this time.

I don't like elitist snobs, I think I made that clear in my previous posts, But I also don't like low life psychos, it seems your anger comes from the truth, the truth that the average chica is not laughing with you but at you. Wealth is a sign of success, be it here in SA or the EU, no one denies that, and women see that as a sign of power and success, whether they tell you that or not, I am sorry that you don't make alot of money, that is not my fault, work smarter and not harder and maybe you wouldn't be walking around with such a chip on your shoulder.

PS, it wasn't contempt, it was pure unadulterated ignorance at it's best, the whole second part of your pathetic post was based on generalized simplistic assumptions you can neither back up or prove. You can only say that since I made a fool of you, you are forced to try to respond with any personal attack you can think of regardless of the fact that you bring my family into it or that you are factually incorrect, you lousy low life motherfucker.

Again, YOU wouldn't be able to live one day in the CCCP, you aren't the type of person I speak of, you would at best be the local drunk who just can't get it together. Persona non grata I think we call it.

You are welcome for all my posts, I put them there to mostly help newbies, but they are there for the general population. I will have fun in the UA and I will appreciate it that much more knowing that your kind of people can't be found there.

Ignorance, servility, weakness, disrespectfulness with regards to family and lack of ambition are not exactly strong character traits to have, much less anything that would fit with the old socialist communist slavic culture.

Bad

CCCP? very good DR, seems you know your old cyrilic right? well thank you for at least trying. Though pretending to know and actually knowing are two different things.

[Daddy Rulz]

That was the point, and you are somewhat trying to be a dick. The point was and is, this was not a thread to discuss that. Basically a cheap shot and nothing to do with the actual topic at hand. Again, you are baiting, but I don't actually feel like going into it. If in your eyes it failed, then it failed. Who cares, not part of this topic.

I would have to say your whole Bell graph comment? Where did that come from? Just trying to be contradictory aren't we DR? Coming from someone who has studied in the US, SA, and the EU, the average chick from UA is many times more prepared academically than any or most of the average BA chicas I have met. Again, you are arguing a point that you have no business arguing unless you actually have some first hand insight on the subject, which you don't. Again if you are talking about basic cognitive ability or average I. Q, you might make a point, but as far as intellectual and academic preparedness, how the fuck would you know? Again the ignorance shows buddy, you are talking about a country where the AVERAGE person holds a Doctorate, generally in either medicine, law, engineering, or some form of physics, be it nuclear, chemical, astro and so on. You are talking about one of the most highly skilled, trained and educated countries in all of Europe. Underpaid, yes, but academically and intellectually prepared on a level not seen in many countries.

Thanks, You answered my perfectly reasonable question. You were not talking about raw intelligence but rather preperation meaning education. Never having visited the area, and understanding that you have, I was ASKING not BAITING. Baiting looks more like this "Bad your an asshole and don't know what your talking about" which I didn't say, and don't mean. I accept your greater experiance in the area and wished to learn from it.

I know that it was the former Soviet Socialist Republic because I wasn't baiting I didn't feel the need to point out the error.

Please don't assume because I ask a question I'm baiting you. Or do you also agree with the former CCCP's policy of repressing the free exchange of ideas. This is baiting but you did imply I'm ignorant, again that working class reaction to somebody thinks they are better than me because of what their grandfathers accomplished I didn't call you a dick, I didn't say you were wrong I only asked a question and I was interested in your answer.

I once offered to buy you a beer to talk about this stuff because different ideas interest me. The only way to learn something new is to listen to somebody with different ideas.

Your comments on the chica I talked about tell me everything I need to know about you. Your an elitist snob, living off the profits of your grandfathers acting and talking as if it was you that had done something. You would not be able to function in the world of the cheloviks you claim to admire. You should be glad that socialism failed in the former USSR because without your privilage you were born to and the power that goes with it you couldn't even feed yourself.

This isn't baiting it's contempt.

Have fun in Kiev and seriously thanks for all the posts about the internet chicas that was some good info.

[BadMan]

That was the point, and you are somewhat trying to be a dick. The point was and is, this was not a thread to discuss that. Basically a cheap shot and nothing to do with the actual topic at hand. Again, you are baiting, but I don't actually feel like going into it. If in your eyes it failed, then it failed. Who cares, not part of this topic.

I would have to say your whole Bell graph comment? Where did that come from? Just trying to be contradictory aren't we DR? Coming from someone who has studied in the US, SA, and the EU, the average chick from UA is many times more prepared academically than any or most of the average BA chicas I have met. Again, you are arguing a point that you have no business arguing unless you actually have some first hand insight on the subject, which you don't. Again if you are talking about basic cognitive ability or average I. Q, you might make a point, but as far as intellectual and academic preparedness, how the fuck would you know? Again the ignorance shows buddy, you are talking about a country where the AVERAGE person holds a Doctorate, generally in either medicine, law, engineering, or some form of physics, be it nuclear, chemical, astro and so on. You are talking about one of the most highly skilled, trained and educated countries in all of Europe. Underpaid, yes, but academically and intellectually prepared on a level not seen in many countries.

And yes please returning to chica pricing, Guys, pay what you feel comfortable paying. Don't let greedy chicas nor broke motherfuckers dictate to you how and where to spend your hard earned funds.

Back to the mentality of a BA chica and how the pricing comes into play here and how it differs with the mentality of european girls. Here, a chica would rather get paid chump change to fuck a low life broke ass monger, and laugh about a guy willing to pay her significantly more, good business sense? I think not, actually probably the reason her uneducated, ignorant ass is sucking dick for rent money. Where as in the EEU, the average stunner, wouldn't be caught dead fucking a low life broke monger for pennies on the dollar, and if anyone deserves to get ridiculed it would probably be him and not the wealthy client that can actually pay her something more substancial.

But there is allways someone for everyone, I for one just finished up trying one of your famed 100 peso chicas, and I am completely cured of that awful habit. You guys can keep the 100 peso chicas. I will either go the non pro route or find myself some top shelf pussy.

Good luck,

Bad

Oh what the hell, here's a teaser,

Oh and BTW, DR, thanks for trying to sound smart, but if you really had any idea of what you were talking about, you would understand that communism never existed in the USSR, as it is implied in the name, it was a SOCIALIST Republic, a functioning one at first, that later became completely unmanageable because of internal and external pressures. But again, read up on your Marx and Engels before you make funny comments that make no sense. Socialism is the path to communism, a stage no country has every fully achieved,in large part due to basic human nature. But I won't go more into it than this, think before you type. If you picked up a book just as often as you pick up BA chicas you would be fine.

[Daddy Rulz]

I don't understand how communism in the former Soviet Union could be described any other way except failed. It's gone isn't it? Not trying to be a dick but the fact that it's not around sort of means it failed no?

I know what you mean about those working class values though, being working class myself. My best friend married a girl from chaco and her family is poor as hell but they are the sweetest people you could hope to meet. I don't like the chetas either, pretty to look at I gotta agree but the 20 or so I've met through friends here remind me of Gringas. My ex went to a bilingual school, but wasn't from an elitist family and she was really sweet, most of those rich chicks I met had pipes up their asses. Could be my natural working class distaste for people that assume they are better than me because of the money their Grandfathers made though.

This comment is kind of funny,

"The average AR chica and the average UA chica as far as intelligence goes, no contest."

I would expect that intelligence measured here and there would both probably be the same as expressed on a bell shaped graph with the same standard deviations. Dogg could confirm that, it's his biz. I could agree with more education there though, as a lot of Argies just don't seem to understand the need for it.

Returning to Chica pricing, my current excedra favorita (red headed spinner named fabiana) had to get out of bed last night, take my 150, plus 10 for taxi of course and go to the Alvear to bang some gringo for 300 dollars for an hour. She told me a friend from Black had set it up. I don't think she was lying because she was as amazed as I was and didn't ask for any more money. She absolutly could not believe how stupid this guy was, she just could not stop laughing about it. She was glad to get the money of course and I told her that I was happy for her as well but did she understand that I would never, ever pay anything close to that she answered with one word "obvio"

I wonder if she spent more than the 2.5 hours with him. Perhaps she used her secondary, back up, fresh, never been fucked pussy and ass with him. Perhaps that mountain of mangos made her pussy tighter or her throat deeper. I don't know, all I really know is he paid 6 times as much as I did and I bet she didn't spin around from cowgirl anal to reverse cowgirl anal without pulling his dick out.

All you lurkers out there please stop paying so much for pussy it can be had for less with very little trouble.

[BadMan]

I have been to several places in eastern Europe (although not Kiev)

Most important thing you ever posted regarding your opinion on this. Spend just one summer in Kiev and then talk to me about UA women and their unequaled beauty, some of the best mannered well intentioned women I have ever met, and much more attentive than your average latina " peasant ". You are telling me that your only contact with these types of girls are the average stripper at Scores and you are telling ME that I am wrong about the Cream? If you think your experience with NYC strippers represents what I meant by the cream, what can I say?

You talk about supposed advanced degrees? I don't get it, did they or didn't they have degrees? The ones that did would probably run circles around the average monger academically. I studied there for a time, and it is no mistake, that Russian science and research was and still is second to none, even with the US's money, they can at best claim to be on even footing. The average AR chica and the average UA chica as far as intelligence goes, no contest.

Then you begin an attack on the " failed communist era " as though THAT or your perception of that had anything to do with this discussion. Those communist morals and ideals and manners of the ordinary working class chelovek is almost second to none in my book, they have customs that even to this day I haven't seen in other countries. A more friendly and giving, open and sincere people you would be hard pressed to find. These people define the phrase class act. So I find your comments regarding them and their era not only insulting, but ignorant and ill intentioned.

The one thing I can tell you is this, after your so called " failed communism " financially the upper class is doing better, and maybe at one point or another the country as a whole will benifit, one thing that cannot be denied is those communist ideals, those old slavic customs and manners are slowly being eroded, and that is sad. But you are right about that, the western lack of manners is adveresly affecting old slavic society.

The Recoleta "cheta " girls is your idea of worldly refinement? Oh boy, I am sorry to say, but upperclass Latin American snobs aren't exactly what I meant when I stated the Cream or intellectually stimulating. Not my scene, I avoid that pretentious crowd wherever I go, unless family decorum demands otherwise. And even then I squirm my way out. There is nothing to crack, you either belong or you don't and if you don't really belong, you are at best a hanger on. Again, this has nothing to do with the Cream or intellectual stimulation.

You are right about one thing, paying for it does get old real quick, and I have been dabbling in the college girl scene a little, but again, the average BA college girl isn't all that interesting either.

Last time, I am sorry if my last post or posts offended you and caused you to reflexively defend what your ideal of feminine perfection is I.E Argentine women. I obviously disagree with you. We are different people from different backgrounds and what is awe inspiring to you might be average to me and likewise what I find stimulating might not be your cup of tea. I am enjoying myself here in BA and happily planting a flag, but I can't wait to get back home. Where IMHO the women are the most beautiful, the most graceful, and the best lovers. Thats all, just pining for summer in Yalta.

Best regards,

Bad

[Rock Harders]

Badboy,

I have been to several places in eastern Europe (although not Kiev) and I think you are giving these chicas way to much credit here, especially labelling them the "cream of the crop" in comparison to Argentinean women. In addition, there are literally thousands of young Eastern European stripper types working in the NYC sphere whom I have had experience with, they all claim to have advanced academic degrees and my overall impression of these girls is that they come off as very crass and unrefined and lacking in basic western manners and behavior. Essentially they are peasants. Perhaps this is the legacy of the failed communist era and may be changing as capitalism and western standards of living permeate these societies.

In comparison, Argentinean women carry themselves with a certain class, refinement and demeanor that I have seen in women in no other country on this planet. If you are able to crack the upper echelon of Argentinean women, the Recoleta "cheta" girls, those that are members of the 200 or so families that control Argentina, the girls that go to the bilingual schools, have multiple farms in several parts of the country, the girls belonging to the "legacy" families, then you will see in the Argentinean women what I see. These girls all have the same type of look, the lean lithe body, mixed Mediterranean genetics, perfect skin, etc.

I can undertand why you don't share these observations, most hookers in Buenos Aires are not like this, and generally don't give an honest impression of the quality of girl available here. Constantly paying $300 AR for tired, washed up low class pussy at a young age could make anybody grow bored with a place real quick.

Suerte,

Dirk Diggler

[BadMan]

Hey MJ,

Well my initial reason for posting that report was it put somethings into perspective for me and maybe for others as far as the mentality in EEU culture as opposed to SA culture, and the reasons why money is more part of Slavic culture and women than here.

To answer your questions, Gia is a very old lower end website that many locals and expats use. The pictures are 100% real, top models you will most likely get about 70% real, both are priced the same because they cater to the same market and yes they are for real. With that said there is a whole different market in Kiev for the top notch girls, the ones tourists don't usually get unless they can pay alot more. We are talking 300-500 EU, these girls are generally reserved for wealthy foreign businessmen and wealthy local clients. These girls are generally had on a " in the know " basis. If you KNOW how to contact them, if you KNOW the people they work with. There are some websites that deal with these girls 3 in particular, very, good quality girls. I will post 2 here, the third is off limits http://www.vodkaescort.com/gallery.php and http://dreamed-escort.com/escort-girls/ now to be honest, the quality at dreamed hasn't remained as high as it was last year. But they probably have a private stock of girls they don't post and keep only for select clients. Exclusivity is key.

Again, as was written in the post below, the whole notion of money has a different meaning in Kiev, Saying Kiev is a city full of gold diggers is like saying Los Angeles or Buenos Aires is a city of golddiggers. It is both somewhat true and overly simplistic at the same time. True in the sense that the women you find in the P4P scene ARE looking for men with money, hopefully alot of it, so they can get paid for their body. BA girls are notorious for trying to " date " westerners and Europeans, why? Because they have more money, simple as that, For the same reason " rentistas " seek out the foreign tourist, monger, businessman market, because they pay better and they pay in dollars or now Euro. In Los Angeles aka LaLa Land aka " HollyWood ", the girls are the most materialistic and superficial you can find. It doesn't matter how you look if you drive a 50K car or better, you are going to be knee deep in " free " pussy. And if you don't, chances are you will still get pussy, but you will be turned down countless times, the minute the girl asks you, how much money you make a year, or where do you live or what kind of car do you drive, all standard first date, first meeting questions.

The truth about the UA, is that there are soooooo many beautiful women everywhere, that you don't need to pay, the truth is I only payed occasionally, mostly to indulge certain pornstar fantasies with Dreamed-escort devushkas, since they are very good about getting in contact with all the top notch UA pornstars. As far as UA girls being golddiggers, the truth is many are and many aren't. The one key thing I see about AR and UA girls is UA girls are smarter about who they actually date, I constantly hear from AR girls about their boyfriends being taxi drivers, short order cooks, bartenders, dancers, and so on and all the girls do is complain about how the guy is broke, how he cheats and drinks too much and how the girls would leave him in a second for a wealthier man, yeah right. Like any intelligent man would get himself saddled with a girl like that. UA girls are different in the sense, that most do think about a mans financial status, not in a golddigging sense, but ask themselves the basic question of " is this guy going to be able to give me and my future family a good life ". Then you also have the " sponsor " mentality, beautiful and I mean beautiful young girls 18-22 usually don't want to fuck 4-6 guys a day, they would rather have a list of 1-2 sponsors, that pretty much pay their rent and give them a few thousand dollars a month of shopping money. The guy is usually a married businessman, sometimes foreign and only sees the girl a few times a week. But in exchange for the financial security he gives her, he gets to bang her six ways from Sunday every time he wants. In contract, I asked a girl here in BA (who was constantly complaining about her poor and unfaithful boyfriend and the fact that she had to prostitute herself since he had no money) Why she didn't just get herself 1 or 2 older wealthier male clients who would take care of all her needs, so she didn't have to fuck 3-4 random dudes a day in dirty motel room beds. Her answer was simple and very indicative of the rampant feminism that is also infecting the USA, she said, she would rather fuck 3-4 random guys a day 5 days a week and keep her " independence " and her poor cheating boyfriend, than fuck 1-2 wealthy older sponsors, because she feared there would be some level of control and possible subserviance with having a sponsor, plus she would feel like those 2 guys who pay her home, bills and shopping expenses would somehow own her, as opposed to the multitude of random guys who drop big loads of cum down her throat for 70 dollars a pop 5 times day, 5 days a week. In my opinion mind boggling. But hey thats what makes BA so fun.

But as they say, live and let live. Argie girls are cute and there are a couple stunners, but I prefer my Eastern European supermodel Ph. D's any day. And don't worry man, no insult taken, just as I hope my comments aren't taken as a personal affront on anyone. Kiev in the summer is what every red blooded male should experience at least once in his life, if not every year. Or better yet, start off in Kiev, pick up a beautiful 18 year old Slavic supermodel, offer to take her to Yalta or the Red Sea for a week or two. Believe me, you will pay nothing except the costs of the trip. The girl will be so greatful, she will give you anything you ask for. And I am talking non pro action. While in Kiev, learn the language and stick with the non pros.

I will stop at this point for one reason, the average cheap BA monger would be out of place in a city like Kiev, I think as a sole monger destination Kiev doesn't rank very high, because of the cost of living as a tourist or foreigner is too high, there are many other places like Asia and Latin America that have good looking girls and cost 5 times less. But if you want to truly experience the cream, there is only one place in my book and that is Eastern Europe, whether it's Talin, Kiev, Prague, Bratislava and so on.

Again, I really digg BA, but it just doesn't compare to the UA as far as women go.

Bad.

But hey, different strokes right?

[Master J]

Badboy,

Was drifting through the Baires Foro and someone posted an experience with these two web sites. Price comparatively speaking, and having had a long term russian experience, are these for real? I know they are beautiful, but is the scene as easy there? http://www.top-models.com.ua and http://www.gia.com.ua if I can't post better addresses. Comments regarding your opinions? Maybe I need to steer the plane with a hard left! I know the summer there is a sight to see but my impression is land of goldiggers? No insult meant)