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  1. #1732
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    Bondholders unnerved as Argentina minister amasses power

    It looks as if Kicillof is CFK's anointed successor.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/news/busi...onal-business/

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  2. #1731
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    Bank Rates Topping 25% Can't Quell Peso Exodus

    CFK and her cohorts just do not get it.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-1...tml?cmpid=yhoo

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  4. #1729
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    USA Judge orders Argentina to stop servicing exchange bonds locally

    Another court order for CFK to ignore and rant about.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-judg...1--sector.html

    Tres3.

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  6. #1728
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    Learn the Lingo Before Showing Your Ass

    Quote Originally Posted by Esten  [View Original Post]
    Show us where in the contract does it state that existing payments be blocked to enforce pari passu..
    You obviously do not know what pari passu means.

    Tres3.

  7. #1727
    Quote Originally Posted by Esten  [View Original Post]
    Citigroup went to court to appeal Griesa's order, saying he abused his discretion in blocking payments.

    Show us where in the contract does it state that existing payments be blocked to enforce pari passu. If you can't, we can only conclude that Griesa used (and abused) his discretion.
    That was in response to Argentina's abuse, rudeness, lies and outright thievery. Argentina (Cristina) thinks she can do what ever she wants and that every one else needs to do what she wants. She does not want to pay anyone in full. She will not even talk about paying in full. Only if she is looking at a steep discount is she willing to talk. But at the same time she wants new loans and she wants to be able to point out that she is paying on all old loans!

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    Not quite

    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson  [View Original Post]
    First, the judge ruled the only way he could, given that by Argentina's decision those bonds DO NOT have a Collective Action Clause (CAC). The judge had no alternative but to enforce the contract.
    Citigroup went to court to appeal Griesa's order, saying he abused his discretion in blocking payments.

    Show us where in the contract does it state that existing payments be blocked to enforce pari passu. If you can't, we can only conclude that Griesa used (and abused) his discretion.

  9. #1725

    Argentina tourism drive.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-29474422

    Top gear is one of England's most viewed TV programs.

    I'm not sure this will entice many people to take their holidays in Argentina in the near future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Esten  [View Original Post]
    The day he blocked legal payments to a majority group of bondholders, to help the holdout Vulture funds. He could have slapped contempt charges and penalties on Argentina without doing this and forcing a technical default. But he's pretty much accountable to nobody, and so can pretty much do what he wants.

    As a federal judge he can't be fired. The only recourse would be for Congress to remove him through a lengthy process called impeachment and conviction. Which has only happened a few times in U.S. history. And there's no chance of that happening with a Republican House, since Judge Griesa is a Republican, and Paul Singer is a Republican and a major donor to Republicans.

    Apparently Griesa has a history of arrogance and abuse of judicial power. As evidenced by statements from other lawyers and judges at the link below.

    Federal judges cannot be fired and have no mandatory retirement age
    http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2014/06/...-and-have.html
    Actually, the facts are:

    First, the judge ruled the only way he could, given that by Argentina's decision those bonds DO NOT have a Collective Action Clause (CAC). The judge had no alternative but to enforce the contract.

    Second, the Appeals Court had no grounds to overturn such a straigthfoward ruling.

    Third, the Supreme Court could not possibly agree to hear the case as there are no constitutional matters at stake here.

    Finally, the ruling justified the USA Reputation as a safe haven subject to the rule of law, regardless of how much some liberals would prefer to replace that by political fiat.

    Thanks,

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  12. #1723
    Quote Originally Posted by Esten  [View Original Post]
    The day he blocked legal payments to a majority group of bondholders, to help the holdout Vulture funds. He could have slapped contempt charges and penalties on Argentina without doing this and forcing a technical default. But he's pretty much accountable to nobody, and so can pretty much do what he wants.

    As a federal judge he can't be fired. The only recourse would be for Congress to remove him through a lengthy process called impeachment and conviction. Which has only happened a few times in U.S. history. And there's no chance of that happening with a Republican House, since Judge Griesa is a Republican, and Paul Singer is a Republican and a major donor to Republicans.

    Apparently Griesa has a history of arrogance and abuse of judicial power. As evidenced by statements from other lawyers and judges at the link below.

    Federal judges cannot be fired and have no mandatory retirement age
    http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2014/06/...-and-have.html
    Why should he be fired? Because he did his job?? Because he enforced a contract that was mostly written by Argentina because they were desperate for money at any price and they were out of options? And now the people who put up the money would like it back almost 15 years later? Give the old coot a medal for putting up with all this bull $hit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tres3  [View Original Post]
    That is why the USA has an appellate process. But did not that process uphold Judge Griesa? We are lucky that federal judges have lifetime tenure. Lifetime tenure gives them some insulation from the political process, and they cannot be fired by a politician. Was not the fact that USA judges have immunity one of CFK's complaints?

    Tres3.
    The US Supreme Court upheld Griesa's rulings in this case. Esten would like us to ignore the facts and look at the bright shiny object he is holding. The anonymous complainers were most likely attorneys that got their asses kicked in Griesa's court. I wonder if any of the anonymous complaints were written by Christina's minions. Regardless, she is getting her ass kicked in this case and is looking crazier and more desperate by the minute.

    http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/supreme-court-denies-appeal-by-argentina/?_php=true&_type=blogs&partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

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    Appellate Process

    Quote Originally Posted by Esten  [View Original Post]
    The day he blocked legal payments to a majority group of bondholders, to help the holdout Vulture funds. He could have slapped contempt charges and penalties on Argentina without doing this and forcing a technical default. But he's pretty much accountable to nobody, and so can pretty much do what he wants.

    As a federal judge he can't be fired. The only recourse would be for Congress to remove him through a lengthy process called impeachment and conviction. Which has only happened a few times in U.S. history. And there's no chance of that happening with a Republican House, since Judge Griesa is a Republican, and Paul Singer is a Republican and a major donor to Republicans.

    Apparently Griesa has a history of arrogance and abuse of judicial power. As evidenced by statements from other lawyers and judges at the link below.

    Federal judges cannot be fired and have no mandatory retirement age
    http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2014/06/...-and-have.html
    That is why the USA has an appellate process. But did not that process uphold Judge Griesa? We are lucky that federal judges have lifetime tenure. Lifetime tenure gives them some insulation from the political process, and they cannot be fired by a politician. Was not the fact that USA judges have immunity one of CFK's complaints?

    Tres3.

  15. #1720
    Didn't he just rule that a contract means what it says? (And that's an honest question. I don't have the legal background to understand exactly what he did.).

    But I am pretty sure that although "he can't be fired" his rulings can be overturned.

    Bob.

    Quote Originally Posted by Esten  [View Original Post]
    The day he blocked legal payments to a majority group of bondholders, to help the holdout Vulture funds. He could have slapped contempt charges and penalties on Argentina without doing this and forcing a technical default. But he's pretty much accountable to nobody, and so can pretty much do what he wants.

    As a federal judge he can't be fired. The only recourse would be for Congress to remove him through a lengthy process called impeachment and conviction. Which has only happened a few times in U.S. history. And there's no chance of that happening with a Republican House, since Judge Griesa is a Republican, and Paul Singer is a Republican and a major donor to Republicans.

    Apparently Griesa has a history of arrogance and abuse of judicial power. As evidenced by statements from other lawyers and judges at the link below.

    Federal judges cannot be fired and have no mandatory retirement age
    http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2014/06/...-and-have.html

  16. #1719

    They are screwed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dccpa  [View Original Post]
    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/argent...1UAykAFJOTmYlQ

    Fabrega was likely the last hope for Argentina before they do something even more stupid than making a mountain out of a mole hill. Throw a 50% export tax on soybeans and expect farmers to continue business as usual. Argentina has the natural resources to be doing as well as Australia, but they are determined to continually screw everyone else and themselves in the process.
    This was the last voice of reason in this country. 25-1 by January.

    I wonder if this "Fabrega handed in his resignation this afternoon in a way that was impossible to decline," means he walked across the street into her office and said "WTF are you doing?" and walked out.

  17. #1718
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    Judge Griesa should have been fired

    The day he blocked legal payments to a majority group of bondholders, to help the holdout Vulture funds. He could have slapped contempt charges and penalties on Argentina without doing this and forcing a technical default. But he's pretty much accountable to nobody, and so can pretty much do what he wants.

    As a federal judge he can't be fired. The only recourse would be for Congress to remove him through a lengthy process called impeachment and conviction. Which has only happened a few times in U.S. history. And there's no chance of that happening with a Republican House, since Judge Griesa is a Republican, and Paul Singer is a Republican and a major donor to Republicans.

    Apparently Griesa has a history of arrogance and abuse of judicial power. As evidenced by statements from other lawyers and judges at the link below.

    Federal judges cannot be fired and have no mandatory retirement age
    http://the-tap.blogspot.com/2014/06/...-and-have.html

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