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[WorldTravel69]

El Alamo said it is closed.

[Rock Harders]

Moore / Jackson-

I definetly agree with Moore's point here. This is Argentina- the "wild west" like atmosphere, where almost anything goes and all vices are tolerated and abundant, is a big part of the reason why the members of the AP forum continue to live and visit this fine country. On top of the general wild west atmosphere, certain businesses, prostitution and drug dealing among them, are always going to be extra shady at times. A "boycott" or "swearing off" an otherwise useful and satisfying establishment really does not help anybody or anything except for the hurt person's own ego. I am certain that people have had bad experiences out of such stalwarts as Black, Madahos, Cocodrilo, and especially NewPort, yet I don't see anybody calling for all mongers to stop patronizing those places. You post your warning on what happened, helping other mongers to avoid your unfortunate experience, and you move on.

Suerte,

Dirk Diggler

[Moore]

I believe that no informed, intelligent consumer should patronize a business establishment that has an established policy of not giving refunds in the event that they are subsequently unable or unwilling to delivered the agreed upon services.

I believe that too Jackson. If, for instance, I reserved, paid, and confirmed a 7night hotel stay at the Recoleta suites and upon arriving, the place was overbooked, and they offered me no refund, alternate comparable hotel, etc, then I would be justifiably pissed and completely fleeced. I might call for a boycott, although that would also be futile, and probably take my issue up with a higher authority such as a managing company or business / travel bureau.

But dealing with a "black" business like a whoarehouse is another story. You're probably going to get fucked over once in while and have no real recourse, regardless of which establishment it is. In Argentina, you're going to get fucked over from time to time while conducting legitimate transactions as well. You've been here a long time and I'm sure you know that. Its simply a fact of doing business here that you have to accept, just like a US corporation accepts that 1% of its sales will be uncollectible. Thats a normal and tax dedectible expense, but you don't cease doing business because of it. It happens sometimes, thats all, and in the Argentine mongering business, you can't necessarily predict where and when.

If a fuckhouse here has a 99% satisfaction rate, I give it a AAA, investment-grade credit rating and will not stop patronizing it due to the 1% "bad" business rate. As a matter of fact, I will recommend it to newcomers as an excellent establishment with good business practices.

[Jackson]

. The suggestion of a SF1707 "boycott" based on one person's substandard experience is absolutely ridiculous, just as it was 2 years ago. Especially when the general grievance is that management handled a customer complaint exactly how any other establishment in the country would (ie too bad you're not happy, goodbye) And it is unbelievable that the venerable Jackson would propose something like this. Maybe he's just joking around.

Hi Moore,

Not withstanding that you are essentially correct regarding the futility of a boycott, let me re-phrase this in a different light:

I believe that no informed, intelligent consumer should patronize a business establishment that has an established policy of not giving refunds in the event that they are subsequently unable or unwilling to delivered the agreed upon services.

You believe that it's okay as long as they don't do it too often.

Thanks,

Jackson

[El Perro]

Has anyone seen Jigoinslow and Marak5 in the same room?

[Mpexy]

Well, this is one area that I'm not an expert in, so someone else can chime in, but from what I understand and has been my experience, latin chicas such as those working as pros here and in other Central / South American countries have children a lot earlier in life. So that's one aspect to encountering more of what you'd consider loose vaginas.

As for muscular relaxation, yes - while the actual vaginal size and surrounding tissues do not change in shape or tightness, just as with any other muscular exercise, periods of vigorous sexual intercourse can lessen the sensation of tightness. But the normal period would be measured in minutes or hours until passive tightness is returned to norm, not as days through the week with the normal girlfriend example. (short of non-stop 24x7 sex)

Also not to be confused with excess lubrication due to recent sexual activity.

Either way, I'm just average in girth and size, and my month and a half here have been very nice in both the pro and non-pro arenas for um. Friction coefficient shall we say?

[Jjgoinslow]

Mpexy,

I have to admit my experience is limited here but I've had 5 loose queefing pros here (bad picks? Now the loosest of the non pros I've had over 15 years was still ALOT tighter than the tightest pro I've had. Isnt this obvious? Are there really scientific studies on this? I'm aware women can do exercises to stay tight, but that takes some dedication. Anyone who has been in a relationship can remember. When you are having alot of sex in a single day / week / month she starts out tighter and gets looser and then when you don't have it for awhile she gets tight again. I mean that first plung is like the first sip of tea right? Except with a pro, there is no first plung, you are in a queue. Maybe you are referring to some kind of permanent change, but these girls don't get any rest, so the change doesnt need to be permenent. I imagine most pros are loose.

JJ

[Jjgoinslow]

"I agree about not getting angry, my question was somewhat rhetorical, $50 is not worth the stress."

Boy, you have to be really exhaustively complete here huh. It was *somewhat* rhetorical in that regardless of the answer anyone would give to my question, I have no intention of raising my voice and pretending to be violent. I AM curious if they have any reason to be worried or vulnerable, BUT I wouldnt use such knowledge to act like a bad-ass (as Dirk might be suggesting) so, yeah it was somewhat rhetorical cause I already think its a bad idea to act like a loose canon. As with any rhetorical question I was trying to elicit the response I got, that Its not really a good idea and is unnecesary. But I am also genuinly curious if we have any leverage which could be used in a gentlemanly way.

I never said they all gave me the cold shoulder (Azul gave me the cold shoulder) They just complain my dick is too big then usually ask me to come back, NO not cause they like me, cause they like my money, that I'm tolerable, and that I put up with their bs. I think YMMV is ALSO a matter of perception. What one person may perceive as a girl really diggin on you, I may perceive as she is basically doing her job and fakin how much she enjoys baggin 5(different strangers a day. Anyone really think they're special? (lol) I would attribute such a perception-gap to differing previous experiences. If one hasnt recently experienced a beautiful woman who is REALLY into you, ie you don't have to pay her by the hour than that person might be more impressed by a pro than I. (the other disadvantage I probably have is that I go for young women <25 cause I'm young, being young is relevent, its not a boast, everyone is young before they are old, obvio, its not some special endowment. But I imagine women in their 30s are both more comfortable with their profession AND better at fakin it.

I'm trying NOT to make these responses personal, so if someone takes offense and wants to respond, Id think it says as much about you as I. Its instructive to reread the part of any post which was not quoted by the responder.

Suerte (drool, twitch, drool, fart, burp)

Jj

[Mpexy]

. I think it is that my standards are too high (for a monger that is) my last girlfriend was hotter than any working girl ive met here.

Jj

It might surprise you what sort of mongers exist, here or elsewhere. I think you'll find your standards couldn't possibly be higher than those I've met who monger but also work in various industries where absolute beauty is the cornerstone, so I'd say it isn't your standards getting in the way here.

. I think the other part of it is that condoms make my dick a bit numb and I need to go deep and hard to feel it in these loose girls. I ocasionaly hear mongers call a pro tight, but uh. Maybe they have a bad memory. A 20 year old with only a handful of previous boyfriends and very little sex in her life who exercises regularly: THATS TIGHT. (yeah dream on some of ya)

Jj

For the numbness, I would advise using a small amount of lubricant prior to slipping on the condom - many men find the sensation of friction to be increased that way. You might also want to try a super thin condom like a Crown Skinless Skin, at 0.0018 inch thickness, it's one of the strongest yet thinnest condoms around. Even a Kimono thin condom is 0.0024, while the standard Trojan is 0.0027.

Regarding loose girls and the belief that women lose their vaginal elasticity or tightness due to having too much sex - that is a complete myth spread through ignorance and a left over puritan moral standard that desired some sort of negative consequence to women considered promiscuous. There is zero medical basis of fact to loosening of the vaginal wall muscles and supporting tissues with frequency of sex. Period.

No matter how much intercourse a woman has, the vagina will not become enlargened nor change it's size. The only normal activity that has a consequence to vaginal size is childbirth (or in the case of those who take some pleasure in extreme sex, by insertion of objects large enough to stretch and tear the vaginal cavity similar to childbirth) While childbirth, especially prolonged labours, can stretch and tear the vaginal muscles and tissues, modern postnatal exercise can frequently mitigate much or all of it. At the far end of the spectrum would be to have a vaginoplasty operation.

In any event, the only controlling factors for women who have never had children for the tightness of their vagina is simply genetics and conditioning - pelvic and body size, uterine wall, musculature surrounding the vagina, tissue elasticity, etc. In short, number of prior boyfriends, how many times she's had sex, or even whether she's just inserted the vibrating dildo every night of her life since hitting puberty has absolutely nothing to do with it.

[Moore]

Maybe this belongs in a thread of its own, but does anyone have an opinion on using volume, threat, verbal force? Do they really have anything to fear? You are the foreigner, they are the ones with local ties right? Or is there legal recourse, are they susceptible to have heightened scrutiny from authorities? Or are you susceptible to getting the shit beat out of you by some AR mob connect? Whats the scoop on this for real? Do they have anything to fear? Or do we?

My question was somewhat rhetorical, $50 is not worth the stress.

Wow, you give a whole new definition to the term "rhetorical question" JJ.

Regarding your age, clean cut/athletic/attractive appearance, enormous endowment, and success with regular hot babes - clear, understood the 1st time, no need to keep reposting about it. Or maybe that was all rhetorical rhetoric as well.

Are you a "Brother" JJ? I hear they have elephant cocks. But the local girls supposedly like and are attracted to brothers, maybe not.

Do you stink? Do you drool? Do you twitch? Are you a leper? There must me some reason that all the girls here give you the cold shoulder.

[Jjgoinslow]

Jjgoinslow, Dirk:

There are not so many p4p scams or tough characters / hustlers to deal with down here so don't worry about it. As mentioned, even when you maybe do get fleeced here on a rare occasion, the dollar amount is so low that its not worth "going postal".

I believe that most of the apartments, at least, don't have any muscle, onsite security, or connections (legitimate or underground) This can be shocking to an American who is accustomed to seeing 300 pound steriod gorillas waiting to beat his ass just for getting slightly out of line at a damned titty bar. The girls here are mostly independents, unlike some whoares in "Russian republics" that I've heard "have friends you don't want to meet". I had an issue at a Palermo apartment once. It didnt go beyond some intense arguing / demands, they phoned some kind of security, and I bailed before they arrived. Again, this happens maybe 1% of the time and 80 pesos ain't worth it.

JJ you're almost always going to have to pay before - its standard. Actually, I don't ever recall paying after (except with a girl I know thats been to my apt several times) so forget about that. You have posted about several bad experiences in your 4day life. Many more than most of us have. Are you sure that this is not caused by something other than your 20inch dick?

I hear you, I'd think the same thing. I think it is that my standards are too high (for a monger that is) This will sound boastful, but I'm relatively young (late 20s) clean, attractive, in shape, my last girlfriend was hotter than any working girl ive met here. So if I sound negative thats part of it. In terms of my 20 inches, I heard another complaint today on it (ill write that up in a minute in another thread) but she didnt stop the session, she just asked me to be really gentle, I was. Azul / Antonella is the only girl that blew the session over it, the other just made the session somewhat irritating. You know, holding her legs so it was hard to get in very deep, makes it hard to have an orgasm. I think the other part of it is that condoms make my dick a bit numb and I need to go deep and hard to feel it in these loose girls. I ocasionaly hear mongers call a pro tight, but uh. Maybe they have a bad memory. A 20 year old with only a handful of previous boyfriends and very little sex in her life who exercises regularly: THATS TIGHT. (yeah dream on some of ya)

I agree about not getting angry, my question was somewhat rhetorical, $50 is not worth the stress.

Jj

[Full Throttle]

Jjgoinslow, Dirk:

JJ you're almost always going to have to pay before - its standard. Actually, I don't ever recall paying after (except with a girl I know thats been to my apt several times) so forget about that. You have posted about several bad experiences in your 4day life. Many more than most of us have. Are you sure that this is not caused by something other than your 20inch dick?

It can't be the 20" dick. I've never had a problem with mine. Somebody even thought mine was 5'11". I was flattered, but assured them they were wrong.

Just to clarify, the only time I've ever pre-paid in BsAs is at the depatamentos / apartamentos and massage parlors. And there, I don't pay for the extras until the end. The biggest mistake was contracting for 2 hours for your first time with a girl. Was that 240P? It seems like it is always easier to add an hour than eliminate one. Did you try to get the second hour refunded?

Regarding the screaming and yelling thing

[Moore]

Jjgoinslow, Dirk:

There are not so many p4p scams or tough characters/hustlers to deal with down here so don't worry about it. As mentioned, even when you maybe do get fleeced here on a rare occasion, the dollar amount is so low that its not worth "going postal".

I believe that most of the apartments, at least, don't have any muscle, onsite security, or connections (legitimate or underground). This can be shocking to an American who is accustomed to seeing 300 pound steriod gorillas waiting to beat his ass just for getting slightly out of line at a damned titty bar. The girls here are mostly independents, unlike some whoares in "Russian republics" that I've heard "have friends you don't want to meet". I had an issue at a Palermo apartment once. It didnt go beyond some intense arguing/demands, they phoned some kind of security, and I bailed before they arrived. Again, this happens maybe 1% of the time and 80 pesos ain't worth it.

JJ you're almost always going to have to pay before - its standard. Actually, I don't ever recall paying after (except with a girl I know thats been to my apt several times) so forget about that. You have posted about several bad experiences in your 4day life. Many more than most of us have. Are you sure that this is not caused by something other than your 20inch dick?

[Jjgoinslow]

Maybe this belongs in a thread of its own, but does anyone have an opinion on using volume, threat, verbal force? Do they really have anything to fear? You are the foreigner, they are the ones with local ties right? Or is there legal recourse, are they susceptible to have heightened scrutiny from authorities? Or are you susceptible to getting the shit beat out of you by some AR mob connect? Whats the scoop on this for real? I never (except in my own home town and rarely then) assume I can bluff my way through a tough sitch with bluster and verbal force. Do they have anything to fear? Or do we?

On another note, I feel surprisingly safe walking into strange apartments all over town, etc, never once have I felt sketchy about it (but I never leave the room without my pants / wallet)

Jj

[Rock Harders]

Although I have not personally been hustled in Buenos Aires, or anywhere else that I can remember, a few years back on the Reeperbahn in Hamburg a buddy of mine had a problem. I was with two friends, and we went into a club called Moulin Rouge, against my advice, Sat down, and immediatly a working girl sits on each of our laps, and tries to get us to buy a drink. One of my friends and I said no, but the other was a jackass and told her to get whatever she wanted; naturally the whoare got a small bottle of champagne. We hit the road after one beer, and they bring us the bill, and the place charged $180 DM (about $100USD at that time) for the small, maybe 375 ml champagne. My friend didnt know what to do, and paid the bill without flipping out. We continue down the reeperbahn, and stop at an irish pub and talk about what just went down. I am really drunk and fired up at this time, and talk my friends into going back to this place and demanding a refund. The friend who was ripped off and I walk in and start yelling and getting in these peoples face, and demanded that they give us some money back, and after about a tense two minutes they give my friend back $100 DM, we hop in the cab that the other friend had waiting, and got the fuck out of dodge.

I see the hustlers in Buenos Aires in much the same light as those from that night on the Reeperbahn. They try to rip you off, and expect you to go meekly into the night with no repercussions for them, and 99% of the time they are right. You ace in the hole here is that they will be woefully unprepared for that 1% that just is not going to take their shit; get in there face and make like you are going to bring the pain, and almost always you will get what you want without actually having to do anything serious. These people prey on those they perceive as weak and deceivable- make it clear you won't take their shit, and they won't even try.

Suerte,.

Dirk