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  1. #35
    To whom it may concern (Especially Redondo)

    On the first of January 2008 the "Schengen zone" will spread to: Estonia, Lithuania, Lettonia, Poland, Czeck Républik, Slovakia, Hungary, Slovenia, Malta. It have been confirmed this week.

    That's added to:

    Portugal, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxemburg, Italia, Austria, Germany, Danemark, Sweden, Finland, Greece, Norway and Iceland.

    Will allow you to drive from Tallin to Lisbon or Rovaniemi to Palermo. Without any custom control. Whazt hell have prodi to do with that!

    On the first January 2009: Switzerland and Liechtenstein

    So, at that time, no more need for an eastern european girl (except Romania, Bulgaria) to have a passport or ID to come visit us What will russian maffia do?

  2. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by El Aleman
    thanks for giving some support.

    I of course assumed that the girl does maybe 5. 6 clients a day (or fewer, but with longer sessions) and the € 150 is after the expenses I mentioned. The prices I talked about are right from a chica, and the entrance and session fees are from clubs in southern germany and the Frankfurt area.

    There are cheaper possibilities in the Rhein - Ruhr area, I know about that. What I reported, however, is a large part of the market.

    It is true, that there is organized crime in Germany, and it is true that girls from eastrern Europe get lured into the country under false pretense and end up in cheap brothels with their passports taken. This exists, but it is not the reality of the whole p4p scene in Germany. There are also a hell of a lot of girls who do what they do knowingly and of free will.

    2 more cents from.

    El Alemán
    In the south there are also less foreigners, the fact remains that most cities in especially the north like Hannover, Berlin and Hamburg suffer from organized crime by Eeastern European criminals. There is no way to excape stuff like that, maybe that's different in lets say Bayern but it's true for most northern cities.

    Girls if they advertise in lets newspapers, internet and stuff like that get honoured by a visit, beat up, have there paspoor taken and become under the influence of criminal gangs. It's common practice in Germany

  3. #33

    Kleinberg,

    Thanks for giving some support.

    I of course assumed that the girl does maybe 5. 6 clients a day (or fewer, but with longer sessions) and the € 150 is after the expenses I mentioned. The prices I talked about are right from a chica, and the entrance and session fees are from clubs in southern germany and the Frankfurt area.

    There are cheaper possibilities in the Rhein - Ruhr area, I know about that. What I reported, however, is a large part of the market.

    It is true, that there is organized crime in Germany, and it is true that girls from eastrern Europe get lured into the country under false pretense and end up in cheap brothels with their passports taken. This exists, but it is not the reality of the whole p4p scene in Germany. There are also a hell of a lot of girls who do what they do knowingly and of free will.

    2 more cents from.

    El Alemán

  4. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Kleinberg
    I wonder how many nonsenses, unfortunately, you are able to say in so few words.

    There is freedom of mouvement. Even for romanians and bulgarians (the last ones) you only have to show that you are able to pay your expenses and to return. Just the way us (older europeans country) do when we go in any "civilized" country (that's country which excempt us of visa for short term tourism) like U. S. Canada, Japan, either Argentine.

    I don't want to discuss anymore about this.
    If you want to bash somebody the least you could do is knowing your stuff.

    There is only free movement if the host country opens the border and everybody can be send home. Just ask Prodi

  5. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Redondo
    Begin part of the EU has got nothing to do with it. Most girls were in the old EU before there countries became part of the EU anyhow and there is no freedom of movement yet.

    Most of those girls get smuggled into the country, exploited, have there passport taken away and even if they don't they probally end up in a club that is run by Russians or Albanians.

    The Russians and Albanians are also known for tracking independent girls down (telephone number, etc) and claim them.

    If you are working in Germany sooner or later you become involved in organized crime. This no different in Holland (Where it's 100% legal) and probally also not in most other European countries
    I wonder how many nonsenses, unfortunately, you are able to say in so few words.

    There is freedom of mouvement. Even for Romanians and Bulgarians (the last ones) you only have to show that you are able to pay your expenses and to return. Just the way us (older europeans country) do when we go in any "civilized" country (that's country which excempt us of visa for short term tourism) like U. S. Canada, Japan, either Argentine.

    I don't want to discuss anymore about this.

  6. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Kleinberg
    Redondo I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong.

    I am french, leaving in the north of France (that is quite a 2 hours or 2 and 1/2 hours drive to Nord Rhein Westfalien) so before I met my novia (or supposed to bein BA I am used to go in these places. I remember that France is "the other sex prison" and it doesn't seem to arrange.

    I am sorry to annouce you that I have fucked my people from quite the whole earth but very few people from former USSR (except from lithuania (mainly) and the 2 others baltic countries whose are now member of U. E. Sometimes there is a girl from kazakstan ou Turkmenistan or so But russians, bioelorussians and ukrainians girls are really really rare as (same for albanians) entry and staying in europe is very difficult now. Most of the girls in FKK are polish or germans and then you will find romanians, slovakians, hungarians and other eastern UE members. There is also chinese, thais and south americans most of them claiming that they are bresilian. The first south american I have fucked (I started late because el castillano de mi es nada de nada. When I was young in northern part of France you have to learn german. It was during soccer WM in 2006 just after a match (I thing it was argentina-mexico) She was wearing only la bandera azul why blanco Ans she explained me that she had to say to german people that she is bresilian. (I wonder if they believe it with this flag)

    I am used to spend a week in June in spain. There I saw some russians girls.

    About pricing for the girls in spain I am not accurate as my spanish is growing a little bit but it is only eating travelling and fucking spanish. Not yet philosophical spanish.

    El Aleman. I thing your are overpricing for money paid by the girls for the 2 clubs I am sure (YY I know it is not in germany and GT) entry is only 25 and 30€.

    It seems also that you forget for session over the half hour the second half hour is only 25€.

    And I don't believe that they pay so much for sleeping in the club. From discussion I had it is free in Samya and YY. In exchange of course of some help in cleaning.

    100€ a day for eating and lodging Gosh, I know your country is Germany and I am only leaving in France. But it is quite what I earn (after taxes) by working day. I am used to find rather nice hotels in germany for about 30 to 40 € a night (breakfast included) and it is on short stay bases. I think after they eat in the FKK don't they?

    The fact I don't know is that lot of them used to do fiestas after the club closing. Who pays for that? "boyfriends" or chicas? That's a point that can make a difference.

    By ending, do you, mein Freund, really thing that a lot of FKK girls "do" more than 3 clients a day. I am not sure about that. If it was like this why is there some rather nices girls in PT?

    I know that I give more questions than answers. I am in trouble thinking a lot about the prostitutional world at this time. Sorry for that.
    Begin part of the EU has got nothing to do with it. Most girls were in the old EU before there countries became part of the EU anyhow and there is no freedom of movement yet.

    Most of those girls get smuggled into the country, exploited, have there passport taken away and even if they don't they probally end up in a club that is run by Russians or Albanians.

    The Russians and Albanians are also known for tracking independent girls down (telephone number, etc) and claim them.

    If you are working in Germany sooner or later you become involved in organized crime. This no different in Holland (Where it's 100% legal) and probally also not in most other European countries

  7. #29

    Please stop fighting

    Redondo I am sorry to tell you that you are wrong.

    I am french, leaving in the north of France (that is quite a 2 hours or 2 and 1/2 hours drive to Nord Rhein Westfalien) so before I met my novia (or supposed to bein BA I am used to go in these places. I remember that France is "the other sex prison" and it doesn't seem to arrange.

    I am sorry to annouce you that I have fucked my people from quite the whole earth but very few people from former USSR (except from Lithuania (mainly) and the 2 others Baltic countries whose are now member of U. E. Sometimes there is a girl from Kazakstan ou Turkmenistan or so but Russians, Bioelorussians and Ukrainians girls are really really rare as (same for Albanians) entry and staying in Europe is very difficult now. Most of the girls in FKK are Polish or Germans and then you will find Romanians, Slovakians, Hungarians and other Eastern UE members. There is also Chinese, Thais and South Americans most of them claiming that they are Brasilian. The first South Smerican I have fucked (I started late because el castillano de mi es nada de nada. When I was young in northern part of France you have to learn German. It was during soccer WM in 2006 just after a match (I thing it was Argentina-Mexico) She was wearing only la bandera azul why blanco Ans she explained me that she had to say to German people that she is Brasilian. (I wonder if they believe it with this flag)

    I am used to spend a week in June in Spain. There I saw some Russians girls.

    About pricing for the girls in spain I am not accurate as my spanish is growing a little bit but it is only eating travelling and fucking spanish. Not yet philosophical spanish.

    El Aleman. I thing your are overpricing for money paid by the girls for the 2 clubs I am sure (YY I know it is not in Germany and GT) entry is only 25 and 30€.

    It seems also that you forget for session over the half hour the second half hour is only 25€.

    And I don't believe that they pay so much for sleeping in the club. From discussion I had it is free in Samya and YY. In exchange of course of some help in cleaning.

    100€ a day for eating and lodging Gosh, I know your country is Germany and I am only leaving in France. But it is quite what I earn (after taxes) by working day. I am used to find rather nice hotels in germany for about 30 to 40 € a night (breakfast included) and it is on short stay bases. I think after they eat in the FKK don't they?

    The fact I don't know is that lot of them used to do fiestas after the club closing. Who pays for that? "boyfriends" or chicas? That's a point that can make a difference.

    By ending, do you, mein Freund, really thing that a lot of FKK girls "do" more than 3 clients a day. I am not sure about that. If it was like this why is there some rather nices girls in PT?

    I know that I give more questions than answers. I am in trouble thinking a lot about the prostitutional world at this time. Sorry for that.

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by El Aleman
    Please stick to things you know something about. This statement is nearly complete bullshit.

    El Alemán.

    Who lives in the country you are talking about.
    I could off ourse come up with some articles but let me just say that you must be superiour to me because you live in Germany.

    Good luck.

  9. #27

    Working in Europe

    I talked to several girls over time about this issue, and I usually discouraged them. While it is true that prices are higher than in Argentina, they are not so much higher to compensate for the higher costs of living.

    A girl in an FKK gets € 50. 60 per half hour. She pays the same entrance fee as the customers, which is usually in the same range. A room in a cheap hotel or the club itself, plus food and other stuff easily run up another 100. So, she does the first 3 customers a day just to cover her costs. Netting another € 150 per day is about as much, or more, as she can expect. Of course, on some Fridays, Saturdays she will come out with more, but there are Tuesdays when she can be happy to get out with 0. 150 times 25 working days would be 3750, but this is before any shopping etc.

    Plus there is the language barrier, this leaves Spain more or less the only option.

    2 centavos de.

    El Alemán

  10. #26

    Redondo,

    Quote Originally Posted by Redondo
    Germany is completly run by Russians / Albanians, I don't think it would be healthy to work there.
    Please stick to things you know something about. This statement is nearly complete bullshit.

    El Alemán.

    Who lives in the country you are talking about.

  11. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Kleinberg
    A great part of the girls I talk with during my stay (the elder ones) (f. E. Monica from Excedra but they are others. Have been working in Europe. (not only spain)

    This Monica (I only talk with her and had no sex) if she was now in Europe, will continue to work and to have lot of patrons (does not matter if she is not so young or that her teeth need some dental work) either in a spanish club or a german FKK.

    She stayed for, she said, two years I don't really know how she managed for the visas (did she "disappare"?

    And now since a while she is back in BA; so I am not sure that european monger's market is so interessant for these girls.

    Some post over the price structure for spanish clubs (60€ for 30 minutes is quite acurate. But I am sure that on the expenses side it is really over-evaluated. 700€ a month in Spain, lodging in the club, dressed with bathsuits. It is quite a lot) I also get my Europe-Argentina plane tickets at 830€ on a reliable european aiirways (I saw prices low as 650€ with some junky americane compania de aviacion! But I have kids that need me)
    Most clubs I know in Spain have like 30 to 100 girls and way fewer clients.

    I highly doubt that most have a paying customer every night.

    Germany is completly run by Russians / Albanians, I don't think it would be healthy to work there

  12. #24
    A great part of the girls I talk with during my stay (the elder ones) (f. E. Monica from Excedra but they are others. Have been working in Europe. (not only spain)

    This Monica (I only talk with her and had no sex) if she was now in Europe, will continue to work and to have lot of patrons (does not matter if she is not so young or that her teeth need some dental work) either in a spanish club or a german FKK.

    She stayed for, she said, two years I don't really know how she managed for the visas (did she "disappare"?

    And now since a while she is back in BA; so I am not sure that european monger's market is so interessant for these girls.

    Some post over the price structure for spanish clubs (60€ for 30 minutes is quite acurate. But I am sure that on the expenses side it is really over-evaluated. 700€ a month in Spain, lodging in the club, dressed with bathsuits. It is quite a lot) I also get my Europe-Argentina plane tickets at 830€ on a reliable european aiirways (I saw prices low as 650€ with some junky americane compania de aviacion! But I have kids that need me)

  13. #23
    During Feb. 2006 I was banging a Blonde Brazilian who was working out of Exedra. She told me she had been working in London but had to leave (I think she was thrown out) Anyhow this chica was desperate to return to London to work and asked if I would be interested in marrying her for money, she paying me so she could work here, I just laughed.

    I stayed in touch with this chica and guess what, she is here working 3 times we have arranged a dinner date and unfortunately I had to cancel each time.

    A good American friend knows this girl, she worked 7 nights a week and went out at least 2 times a night sometimes more.

    She is now earning good money £150-200 an hour, I know the area she is renting a flat and you don't get any change from £1500-00 a month, thats £18000-00 a year enough to buy a place on the outer parts of BsAs.

    This is fact not fiction, my good friend Pappa Beneto / Sid met her and will vouch for me, the girl was the most materialistic person I have ever met in my life. She knows what she wants and she gets it. An example, one evening after we had fucked she asked if she could check her emails, (4 different accounts) I sat there watching the tv, every now and again glancing at my laptop. I saw an email from a guy telling her how much he loved her and he had sent her $2000-00 YES $2000-00 by Western Union.

    My point is its a very hard job and to be good and make money they have to have a tough side, be ruthless.

    This girl was very popular at Exedra but earns alot more working here in London. FACT

  14. #22
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    Lightbulb People migrate towards money, chicas are no exception

    Who are you trying to convince? I think regardless of the country, the risks associated with prostitution are ever present but the mitigating factor remains the same. The hookers make more in Europe than in Buenos Aires. Now if someone has concrete evidence to the contrary please post it. Because up until this point we have heard quite the contrary, something to the effect that hookers in Europe and " touring " hookers in Europe make a shitload more there than they do in BA. We have also heard a bunch of BS about hookers not making any money in Europe and that is why they are going there in droves.

    The figure you stated sounds about right to me Sinistra, since it is just about what I had calculated and what I have been told by newly arrived hookers about to buy their own pad.

    Wish em good luck and bang their brains out before they leave, that is the only advise you can give em.

    Bad

  15. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by Badboy13
    I have personally seen girls go and come back and I have seen their newly purchased apartments. I personally think that if the point of all this whoring is making money, it would only make sense to go where there is more money to be made from it. I am sure there are risks involved with whoring in Europe and the same risks can be found HERE. I have personally met girls who have done well for themselves and their families by going to Europe, they went for 3 months and came back with enough to buy their own property. This is a fact, not some lame hypothetical.

    Also I don't think all these girls work at clubs over there, many are going to meet up with a friend who is allready over there, they have their pictures loaded up on some escort websites and wait for the phone calls. Bullshitting on AP is doing anyone any good so lets be real. Many make good money, being a hooker is dangerous in ANY country, and the reality is most don't stay because they can't legally.

    Bad
    The risk in a foreign country are always a lot bigger then at home.

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