Advice for a chica who wants to work in Spain

[Sinistra]

I saw a police blotter in the newspaper here in Italy where two "touring" escorts were arrested and something like 26,000 euro was confiscated. These tours generally involve one or two girls having some kind of base city (often in Eastern Europe, but also often London) and then they travel for a couple of weeks to different cities where they often make up 5-10 appointments a day (at 300 euro or more an hour, 500 or more for 2 hours) often with several hour dates involving dinner, and often an overnight stay (which can be a thousand euro or more--that's 4000 pesos) As you can see, the money can add up quickly, even if they are only taking a percentage of the take. A few months of going like that and you're taking a nice apartment with relative ease.

A popular site that lists these touring ladies is:

http://www.escortguide.tv/

And more than a couple independents work off of there, though most work through agencies. It's important for these girls to know at least some English or the local idiom happens to be. A smart girl could figure out the right sites on which to advertise, and figure out all the arrangements herself, but it would be trouble unless she had an extraordinarily good head on her shoulders. Please note: ugly girls need not apply.

This is why even the "high-end" girls in Argentina seem practically free to me. I don't even want to admit how much I spent for the better part of a day with this stunner:

http://www.ladiestours.com/Jessica

[BadMan]

I have personally seen girls go and come back and I have seen their newly purchased apartments. I personally think that if the point of all this whoring is making money, it would only make sense to go where there is more money to be made from it. I am sure there are risks involved with whoring in Europe and the same risks can be found HERE. I have personally met girls who have done well for themselves and their families by going to Europe, they went for 3 months and came back with enough to buy their own property. This is a fact, not some lame hypothetical.

Also I don't think all these girls work at clubs over there, many are going to meet up with a friend who is allready over there, they have their pictures loaded up on some escort websites and wait for the phone calls. Bullshitting on AP is doing anyone any good so lets be real. Many make good money, being a hooker is dangerous in ANY country, and the reality is most don't stay because they can't legally.

Bad

[Redondo]

There's a serious flaw in your arguments and examples:

The girls are still going abroad. So guess what, it appears to be profitable to them, whereas your figures don't show any profit at all. They'd rather stay in Argentina and make more money. Nonsense. Again, get real. Math 101. 4 ARS to 1 EUR, hellooo, anyone there?:eyesroll:

If they can bring home 400-500 euro a month they still would do it offcourse. They just don't bring loads of money with them.

If you have a friend working there where you can stay and who can get you started it's worth the try offcourse.

But for every 'succesfull' story there is a failed one. Chicas who are getting abused, held like slaves or just don't make money. It's like the stock-market. Nobody ever looses but in reality many do.

Get a reality-check

[Flexible Horn]

The clubs I frequent in Spain are the same as the clubs in BsAs, you have to buy the chica a drink. That's how the club makes its money along with the drink I have to purchase for myself.

The chica's don't have to pay to work in the club's, most clubs the 'deed' is done in house, in small rooms, so there is a small charge.

Most South American chica's head to the large cities I. E. Madrid and Barcelona some have made their way to my home city London. If the chica's are good looking they can and do earn 1200 pesos – 2400pesos an hour, in London 2 or 3 hours work a day, 6 or 7 days a week you can see these girls make good money. After 6 months they have enough to return home and buy a house or open a small boutique.

Thats why when guys ask where are all the good looking 9/10 0r 10/10 rated chicas are in BsAs, I tell them to try the large European city's.

[Rainot]

For example to enter into Europe.

The club will charge them a lot and it's not easy to enter in a high level club.

There's a serious flaw in your arguments and examples:

The girls are still going abroad. So guess what, it appears to be profitable to them, whereas your figures don't show any profit at all. They'd rather stay in Argentina and make more money. Nonsense. Again, get real. Math 101. 4 ARS to 1 EUR, hellooo, anyone there?:eyesroll:

[Redondo]

Insurance? You are joking, for what?

For example to enter into Europe.

The club will charge them a lot and it's not easy to enter in a high level club.

[Flexible Horn]

3 plane tickets a 1000 euro (3000 euro) 700 euro living expences x 8 months (5600 euro) insurance a 100 euro a month x 8 (800 euro)

So that would make around 10.000 euro of expenses. But I am sure she needs to pay the club and needs to spend a lot more on beauty and clothes and stuff like that.

If she takes 1000 euro with her she is lucky, that is if she not lies.

Skela must be an upscale club looking at the rates, but there are plenty of clubs like that in Spain and a lot more of lousy quality. Lot of competition. I don't think you can enter in a good one without contacts.

The girls from Eastern Europe use Easy jet or Ryan air, very cheap flights. I don't think the girls from South America go home 3 times a year, probably only once.

I don't know how much the club charges them, but besides what they pay the club these girls spend very little money.

Insurance? You are joking, for what?

I would guess out of 25,000 Euros this girl would have sent 70% back to her family in Romania.

[Redondo]

Every year I go to Spain to play 'Golf' with a group of friends. During this time I have got to know some of the girls at club Skala. Now taking it at face value and I can't see a reason for this girl to lie to me. She told me that she spent 8 months a year in total working at the club, 3 times a year. Before any expenses (they live in a room on top of the club) her earnings where 25,000 euros in 2005.

Its 60e for 30mins, 80e for 45mins and 110e for 1hour. 8months = 35 weeks = 715euros a week.

The vast majority of girls working in the club are from Eastern Europe, with a handful from South America.

3 plane tickets a 1000 euro (3000 euro) 700 euro living expences x 8 months (5600 euro) insurance a 100 euro a month x 8 (800 euro)

So that would make around 10.000 euro of expenses. But I am sure she needs to pay the club and needs to spend a lot more on beauty and clothes and stuff like that.

If she takes 1000 euro with her she is lucky, that is if she not lies.

Skela must be an upscale club looking at the rates, but there are plenty of clubs like that in Spain and a lot more of lousy quality. Lot of competition. I don't think you can enter in a good one without contacts.

[Flexible Horn]

Every year I go to Spain to play 'Golf' with a group of friends. During this time I have got to know some of the girls at club Skala. Now taking it at face value and I can't see a reason for this girl to lie to me. She told me that she spent 8 months a year in total working at the club, 3 times a year. Before any expenses (they live in a room on top of the club) her earnings where 25,000 euros in 2005.

Its 60e for 30mins, 80e for 45mins and 110e for 1hour. 8months = 35 weeks = 715euros a week.

The vast majority of girls working in the club are from Eastern Europe, with a handful from South America.

[Redondo]

Dude, get real. Top Area Vip girls in Argentina make a lot more than that, and some usually go to Spain, Mexico, or Chile for a few months. They've been doing it for years. If the girl could only bring back 1500 euro in total for her whole trip, it wouldn't even be worth it. She'd better stay in Argentina and date at least 6-7 guys per month, and you come up with that kind of money. And I can assure you AV girls date more than 6-7 guys per month.

So being a hooker is actually a career option and not escape poverty?

[Rainot]

Not even the cutest hooker in the world will make 4000 euro a month in Spain. Not even in Marbella. If she is lucky she can take like 1500 euro's with her in 3 months

Dude, get real. Top Area Vip girls in Argentina make a lot more than that, and some usually go to Spain, Mexico, or Chile for a few months. They've been doing it for years. If the girl could only bring back 1500 euro in total for her whole trip, it wouldn't even be worth it. She'd better stay in Argentina and date at least 6-7 guys per month, and you come up with that kind of money. And I can assure you AV girls date more than 6-7 guys per month.

[El Perro]

Not even the cutest hooker in the world will make 4000 euro a month in Spain. Not even in Marbella. If she is lucky she can take like 1500 euro's with her in 3 months

Another succint nugget from a true visionary.

[BadMan]

If you say so. If anyone here knows a hookers salary I am guessing you would be the one.

Bad

[Redondo]

If they could stay, they would. And many do stay Redondo. The problem is this, if they stay beyond their tourist visa illegally, they will be deported and never be issued a tourist visa ever again. But if they stay in Europe on their visa and return when the time is up, they are free to return at will, just as long as they don't overstay their 3 month tourist visa.

And you also have to think on this, 4000 Euros is a hell of alot of money for a chica in Argentina, but if this chica decides to stay and live in Europe as a resident, I am sure her cost of living full time will increase. Ruffing it during a 3 month stint in Europe is one thing. Buying a home and living day to day full time for the rest of their lives is quite another thing, much more expensive as well. Plus, like most chicas that travel to the US, they find that living in another country isn't always what it is cracked up to be. Plus remember these girls don't go with the objective of staying in the EU, most leave children and families behind. They go to make some big cash quickly.

I could go on and on, as I said I have met many girls that have come and gone and most return once their visa is up, though as you stated some might stay, though they risk being banned if caught illegally overstaying their visas. Sometimes you have to think things through and you will most times answer your own questions Redondo, but I guess it helps if someone is their to think for you.

Take care,

Bad.

Again, I am trying to rationalize alot here, but I have met many girls who went to Spain, worked their 3 months, came back, put a down payment on a small apartment in the microcenter for them and their child and kept fucking me until they could pay off the rest. And the first thing I did was ask, " if you can make so much money over there why not just stay? " response was simple, first, they have their children here, second they can't legally and if they try they risk being banned for life, third, the cost of buying property in Europe is 5 to 10 times more expensive than in BA, and lastly they liked Spain but once living there they found it wasn't all it was cracked out to be and they missed home and family.

Again, wish them luck and bang their brains out before they leave, just to remind them what will be waiting for them on the way back.

Not even the cutest hooker in the world will make 4000 euro a month in Spain. Not even in Marbella. If she is lucky she can take like 1500 euro's with her in 3 months.

[Redondo]

I have seen quite a few of the hotter prospects pack up and go to Spain in particular or Europe in general. I have seen many come back with enough to put a down payment on shitty little two room apartments in the microcenter. Now this might not be alot of money but for an Argie working girl to be able to work 3-4 months and come back with enough to put a down payment on her very own home is a big thing. I never asked how much can be made but my honest guess, given the fact that $200-500 Euros is the going rate per hour, is even if she is only seeing half of that, that means a girl can pull around $200-400 Euros a day, multiply that by 5 times a week 4 weeks a month and you have a girl making anywhere from $4000-$8000 Euros a month, multiply that by the usual 3-4 month tourist visa and you have about $15-$30K Euros for a 3-4 month stint in Europe (think about this in average Argentine economic terms and you will realize how even the possibility of this is quite tempting) even if you subtract airfare and living expenses (remember these girls aren't exactly living it up in Europe, they are probably sharing a 1 room studio with another girl or two and eating as little as possible to keep their figure profitable and only taking taxis when the customer is paying) I would say a girl can probably bring back anywhere from $10-25k Euros, or about $50-$125 thousand pesos. I am sure there are all kinds of risks associated with being a hooker in Europe just as I am sure there are all kinds of risks associated with being a hooker in Argentina, I am sure the pursuit of the mighty Euro over rides all these possible reprecussions in a hookers mind. So if the girl is decided on going, wish her luck and bang her like crazy before she leaves so she remembers what she has waiting for her when she returns.

Good Luck,

Bad.

PS, Paris is the real mecca for working girls, all the succesfull providers tour there at least a couple times a year.

They won't come back if they make that kind of money.