Live the Dream: Chronology of an experiment

[Ben There]

From the Forum Rules:

No Prosthelyzing: Please do not use this Forum to espouse anti-prostitution, anti-commercial sex, or other similar sociological, political or religious beliefs.

Besides, I'm kinda looking forward to reading MCSE's successes / failures. Sounds like he may have backended himself into a business that may ultimately work. Then again, he may get his legs broken. It's his prerogative either way.

Not trying to be anti anything (except for anti broke body parts) I too want to se mcse succeed only so that I can use his apt again. And he can come to the place not in crutches.

[BundaLover]

So where do we draw the line? Lying is OK? Group lying is OK. Hiding from boyfriends in nightclubs is OK? HUH? Are drugs in their drinks OK? How about date rape as part of the fantasy? Where does this end? At what point does the 'justification' start to stink?

[BundaLover]

I'll fuck almost anything beautiful with a pussy under it. I don't need to bullshit the girls. I'm no beauty queen but I have to wonder if MSCE is very unattractive. He represents models. He sees them day in and day out. Wouldnt you think he has pussy coming out his ears if he were capable? I would have worn my dick down to the bone if I were around dumb models on a regular basis with no need for the games indicated below.

Sometimes they even like me. I can think of nothing more boring than tricking a dumb and poor model into thinking I'm a director or producer. They never had a problem with horny tourist from Amerika. Here is a cut and paste from MSCE web page (refferenced in this forum on page 1)

"The girls will be paid for assist, they will be paid with a few bucks for the first night, double the 2nd one and double the 3rd and double the 4th. So, for them it's Very attractive to stay for the 4 sessions. They know the rules, but they will be told clients are either hollywood producers, fashion designers, etc. You must NEVER tell them you are not and traitors will be punished. No traitors allowance, zero tollerance."

And this.

"We have told the models them to work in the clubs promoting and fishing for models with a special custome. 4 girls will attend on every event, an extra 2 girls will be as a backup. A coordinator will also be there. The coordinator (a female) is instructed to encourage girls to pay attention to you the clients and encourage them to have drinks, have fun and tell them nice things about the clients. The coordinator is kinda that tiny voice telling the models things. I will be also in there as the project creator and manager.

Girls will ask if is it possible for their boyfriends attend the event. We will grant the possibility, but the boyfriends will be kept out of the VIP room. Even when they want to go, pre-arranged is with the nightclub staff to don't let them get in. During the casting will investigate and inquire about their boyfriends, because, if one of the boyfriends is too related with the nightlife scene (even may be he owns a club or whatever) this action will not be possible."

. And this.

"You MUST be a nice and fair person to participate, you have to pass a psicological test, a phisical exam, you must look on the fashion, be young, or at least look young, accomplish with the cost, NOT BE A TRAITOR, NOT TO BE A CHEAP. This project is not oriented cheap."

The above are not my words. They are the words of MSCE. They speak for themselves.

Jackson were you aware of this?

BARTS is a headliner on your website.

[HairBalderman]

From the Forum Rules:

No Prosthelyzing: Please do not use this Forum to espouse anti-prostitution, anti-commercial sex, or other similar sociological, political or religious beliefs.

Besides, I'm kinda looking forward to reading MCSE's successes / failures. Sounds like he may have backended himself into a business that may ultimately work. Then again, he may get his legs broken. It's his prerogative either way.

[Hunt99]

Am I a lying scammer when I ask a woman out to dinner and a date, suggest that I am interested in a long-term relationship, and then fuck her doggie style in the back seat of my car -- when I am really interested in nothing more than depositing my sperm in her twat? (Careful the cum doesn't drip onto the leather seats, hon!)

There are many levels of lying. MCSE is refining the method more than most, but it's only a difference of degree to what I have done all my life. If he keeps up his present game, one of these days a boyfriend is going to murder him, this is true. It may well be the kind of man who will cry about his woman's infidelity to a total stranger, while sitting in front of her.

Until then, I say: LIVE THE DREAM!

[Ben There]

Part ONE.

The Morality of BundaLover:

As said before, the nature of this experiment it's to find a way, an opportunity to find perhaps, real love, if not, a great sexual experience with a beautiful, classy and outrageous girl.

Now, it's nothing but hillarious to talk about morality in this board. There is so much hipocrasy around, at least I just expose my experiment and as always, I'm open to suggestions and improvements. However, this is not a "scam". A scam must involve money, or at least, the non-accomplishment of a deal. I've helped several models on their carreers and I would never force a girl to do something she don't want to do. Ever.

The ethics of fucking a lactating girl, who has no other opportunity in her life rather than sharing her son's milk with strange people in order to feed her son are for sure elevated and refinated. The ethics of going to a privado parlor and fucking a girl who has been traded from another one and is 24/7 controlled by her pimps are perhaps "spiritual". Because taking advantage of the macro economics desadvantages permits with a regular european / american salary to fuck for less in another undeveloped country and sure, and that's very moral too.

Part TWO:

The morality of the girls:

The girls are looking around, and au contraire of many of you heared at the church, females are happy to have sexual intercourses, and sex it's not only for creating offspring, it can be used with recreational propouses too. Humans are not the only mammals that have sexual intercourses for fun. Dolphins and monkeys they also do it, and by the way, a branch of african monkeys has female to female intercourses too.

So girls are there and they want to fuck, now they must choose a partner for each sexual intercourse. Is it bad that I propose myself as interested and request an opportunity to have fun with them?

Every woman and every man do what they can to get laid. Woman take care of their body, makeup and try to look the best they can, as male do as well. All the rest it's about negotiations and tradeoffs.

This project it's about an alternative and by the way, creative way to accomplish the objective of getting laid.

For sure the question of who is moral, what is moral and the forum by which we discuss this is a bit shaky on all levels. However I must side with Bundalover in the line that is differently drawn in the sand. One knows exactly what one is doing with and why and for what. I know that a good possibility that a chica we talk about at times with as much indifference as good piece of steak we had a restaurant may not seem very moral, she may be owned by some pimp, she may be sending every peso back to Paraguay to feed her family or she may just be an indepenedent business woman sucking (pun intended) every peso out of our fantasy fed brains. And. And I write a big and with a purposeful comma, AND, its all on the table as to what where and why.

WHere we may disagree and feel unease, is the clear and pursposful game that you advertise as a means of deceit to get laid. Maybe that its not so different than (as I will simplyfy for you your very complicated style of english) giving the girls what they want. But you are not giving them what you want, you are giving them a false reality. I think we used to call that snake oil in the old days.

While true commenting about your tactitcs is a bit tricky considering the forum, its memebers and the topic, and it may be like a pot calling the kettle black. But I would guess that many of the mongers here would agree that your tactics are unnerving. Maybe this is a interesting opportunity for a new poll. Heh Jackson?

[MCSE]

I too read MSCE with a bit of unease. His postings are always interesting and fun to read. They make me think. However we have a very different line in the sand when it comes to ethics. He enjoys the scam and deception. It is part of the seduction process for him. I think it childish and not something that would ever interest me. On one hand he presents himself professionally as an agent and on the other he publically details the games he plays. He is an adult. He can do what he wants. If he did this shit in Brasil he would be most dead by now. Kind of makes me wonder if the macho Argentine male is a wimp.

Part ONE.

The Morality of BundaLover:

As said before, the nature of this experiment it's to find a way, an opportunity to find perhaps, real love, if not, a great sexual experience with a beautiful, classy and outrageous girl.

Now, it's nothing but hillarious to talk about morality in this board. There is so much hipocrasy around, at least I just expose my experiment and as always, I'm open to suggestions and improvements. However, this is not a "scam". A scam must involve money, or at least, the non-accomplishment of a deal. I've helped several models on their carreers and I would never force a girl to do something she don't want to do. Ever.

The ethics of fucking a lactating girl, who has no other opportunity in her life rather than sharing her son's milk with strange people in order to feed her son are for sure elevated and refinated. The ethics of going to a privado parlor and fucking a girl who has been traded from another one and is 24/7 controlled by her pimps are perhaps "spiritual". Because taking advantage of the macro economics desadvantages permits with a regular european / american salary to fuck for less in another undeveloped country and sure, and that's very moral too.

Part TWO:

The morality of the girls:

The girls are looking around, and au contraire of many of you heared at the church, females are happy to have sexual intercourses, and sex it's not only for creating offspring, it can be used with recreational propouses too. Humans are not the only mammals that have sexual intercourses for fun. Dolphins and monkeys they also do it, and by the way, a branch of african monkeys has female to female intercourses too.

So girls are there and they want to fuck, now they must choose a partner for each sexual intercourse. Is it bad that I propose myself as interested and request an opportunity to have fun with them?

Every woman and every man do what they can to get laid. Woman take care of their body, makeup and try to look the best they can, as male do as well. All the rest it's about negotiations and tradeoffs.

This project it's about an alternative and by the way, creative way to accomplish the objective of getting laid.

[MCSE]

MCSE, you have nice apartments, you deliver the goods as you promise on the apartments and you help set newbies up. But leave it at that. I would join in on the rest saying you are just waiting for hell to kick in. That you seek to win some game because you scammed some girl in to believing that you or one of your other scammers are some poweful dude.

Thanks for the comments on my apartments!

Honestly, I appreciate your advise, and I'll be careful.

As I have wrote before, there is no scam in this experiment. You're right when you say it's consuming my time, and it's true, but no more than any other hobby could do it.

My point with the post was to proof somehow (to myself in the first stage, then sharing it with you) the collective feeling (and I think everyone has at least one time thinked about) regarding that in the models industry, sex it's involved. Sex it's a price to pay. They also say that many managers and designers, photographers, etc are gay, no proofs around, but in the straight percentage, managers, photographers, designers, etc they want to fuck the models just like I want, somehow helped me to understand that I'm a normal person rather than a pervert, but I'm still not sure. Everyone has a paraphilia, some like them busty, some like them with the tan lines, some like them booty, well my paraphilia it's I like them perfect, stylished, classy.

[BundaLover]

I too read MSCE with a bit of unease. His postings are always interesting and fun to read. They make me think. However we have a very different line in the sand when it comes to ethics. He enjoys the scam and deception. It is part of the seduction process for him. I think it childish and not something that would ever interest me. On one hand he presents himself professionally as an agent and on the other he publically details the games he plays. He is an adult. He can do what he wants. If he did this shit in Brasil he would be most dead by now. Kind of makes me wonder if the macho Argentine male is a wimp.

[Pete Puma]

It will be interesting to see how long this lasts. People rob banks thinking because they got away with it once or twice they will never get caught. Same thing with robbing pussy. You get your fantasy rush until "BUSTED". Have fun while it lasts.

[Ben There]

Well, so like 3 weeks ago (as you know I'm very busy these days) a model I never met started to send me emails and I have sent her my cellphone, she was complaining because I have put her profile under new faces and we did never met.

She is a tall and really professional model looking type, with professional portfolio, so that's why I've listed she on my database. She is tall and she is black, from Brazil. She told me she is travelling back to Brazil for the hollydays and she has no time back so she encouraged me to rush our first meeting. So I have told her to meet at one of my apartments. Then I (dumb yes I'm) totally forgot the appointment. Well, when she went there she asked for the agency and (dumber is my doorman) he told her there were no agency in there but an apartment we rent for short term. Damn! So, she called me and I ran to the meeting, getting in there late, like 30 mins after (very bad) and she was escorted by her husband, he seemed to be pissed and looked with that bad look. But anyway, we went upstairs in the elevator, and (I'm sorry, I can't resist) I was looking at her beautiful and unique legs she has, and her sexy skirt. Fuck, she was wearing a sexy skirt and in person, she is fucking-really-hot.

I have to menction as a matter of fact two things that increased the hate I have received with that sight at the elevator: my lover just an hour ago started to send me some horny sms's on my cellphone because she wanted to get together, and today was a hot day and I have seen houndreds of beautiful girls in mini skirts and showing the half or her tits with the wet the heat produces.

So, well, we've got to the apartment and we started our meeting. The husband looks like an american football player, in good shape, tall and muscled, argentine and blond, probably from cordoba but not sure, she is black, tall and thin, but she is also sexy, and she moves her face lips in a very provocative way, almost licking her own lips. Then she started to pay attention to what I said, (strictly business) so the guy again looked at she with that angry sight.

Well, so, I was yes I was horny and I think the guy noticed it, and she was horny too I think, so I could't resist and I asked the guy: what's going on? Are you ok? So, unexpectly the guy changed his sight for almost wet eyes and he said he is going with her now everywhere and they quit from the former agency because the manager (my competitor) was sexually arrasing (molesting) her. The worst part (he said) it's once she accepted nothing changed at all and she was unable to get better and better paid jobs. Guys, I was laughing inside but showing myself serious and concerned. The competitor is a very well known guy in the industry, so I've asked, what happened then, and they said they just quit from that manager and that was the reason for getting to my agency.

However, the rest of the meeting is irrelevant, BUT, when we greet outside she told me "I'll be happy to see you again when I'm back" with a nasty expression she said. We kissed close to our lips, in front of the guy.

After that I remembered the concerns of this thread and that's why I'm writing this. You can search for her on the page, with the provided description I think is enough.

I'm late again, saludossss!

I think it says more not about the industry, but about how most on this board have predicted your fate as to the same scam you are pulling on these girls that this one complained about. MCSE, you have nice apartments, you deliver the goods as you promise on the apartments and you help set newbies up. But leave it at that. I would join in on the rest saying you are just waiting for hell to kick in. That you seek to win some game because you scammed some girl in to believing that you or one of your other scammers are some poweful dude. It'll consume you (already has) and you will get fucked. But not how you want.

Just Sayin.

BT

[MCSE]

Well, so like 3 weeks ago (as you know I'm very busy these days) a model I never met started to send me emails and I have sent her my cellphone, she was complaining because I have put her profile under new faces and we did never met.

She is a tall and really professional model looking type, with professional portfolio, so that's why I've listed she on my database. She is tall and she is black, from Brazil. She told me she is travelling back to Brazil for the hollydays and she has no time back so she encouraged me to rush our first meeting. So I have told her to meet at one of my apartments. Then I (dumb yes I'm) totally forgot the appointment. Well, when she went there she asked for the agency and (dumber is my doorman) he told her there were no agency in there but an apartment we rent for short term. Damn! So, she called me and I ran to the meeting, getting in there late, like 30 mins after (very bad) and she was escorted by her husband, he seemed to be pissed and looked with that bad look. But anyway, we went upstairs in the elevator, and (I'm sorry, I can't resist) I was looking at her beautiful and unique legs she has, and her sexy skirt. Fuck, she was wearing a sexy skirt and in person, she is fucking-really-hot.

I have to menction as a matter of fact two things that increased the hate I have received with that sight at the elevator: my lover just an hour ago started to send me some horny sms's on my cellphone because she wanted to get together, and today was a hot day and I have seen houndreds of beautiful girls in mini skirts and showing the half or her tits with the wet the heat produces.

So, well, we've got to the apartment and we started our meeting. The husband looks like an american football player, in good shape, tall and muscled, argentine and blond, probably from cordoba but not sure, she is black, tall and thin, but she is also sexy, and she moves her face lips in a very provocative way, almost licking her own lips. Then she started to pay attention to what I said, (strictly business) so the guy again looked at she with that angry sight.

Well, so, I was yes I was horny and I think the guy noticed it, and she was horny too I think, so I could't resist and I asked the guy: what's going on? Are you ok? So, unexpectly the guy changed his sight for almost wet eyes and he said he is going with her now everywhere and they quit from the former agency because the manager (my competitor) was sexually arrasing (molesting) her. The worst part (he said) it's once she accepted nothing changed at all and she was unable to get better and better paid jobs. Guys, I was laughing inside but showing myself serious and concerned. The competitor is a very well known guy in the industry, so I've asked, what happened then, and they said they just quit from that manager and that was the reason for getting to my agency.

However, the rest of the meeting is irrelevant, BUT, when we greet outside she told me "I'll be happy to see you again when I'm back" with a nasty expression she said. We kissed close to our lips, in front of the guy.

After that I remembered the concerns of this thread and that's why I'm writing this. You can search for her on the page, with the provided description I think is enough.

I'm late again, saludossss!

[MCSE]

So I convinced a model aspirant to get to the airport and pick up a client, do a video and some pictures.

By the way I have more than 180 models and aspirants interested into meeting producers, directors and get paid for join us to the VIP's clubs.

[MCSE]

Great idea, as you have a great base to kick off from. But full of potential twists and turns, like real life.

As these girls will probably have met various real potential clients in the past, I suggest you educate clients on a few basic exchanges to throw in, don't wear your dockers and sneakers, etc. Models will know the gig is up if your clients can't play the game right and that means educating them a bit, myself included if I was here, but would be hopefully for another time.

In the near future, I will be going to a cocktail / party type affaire where the agency types will mix in a few clients and friends with models and I have been educated to play the big shot. Not my style but I can pull it off.

I just hope that even putting this on the site has not already set up a problem.

Buen Suerte.

MAG

Thanks for the suggestion!

I will find the way to write something about it. Basically in the fashion world everyone pays attention to the fashion and style.

[MCSE]

A girl will turn on you in a split second IF she dosen't get what she thinks she should. And, she will employ any tool available to fix things. I predict you won't have the option of "backing out" by the time you want to.

C Mon. That's too much paranoic!