Live the Dream: Chronology of an experiment

[DrakeCapital]

Amen. While I usually enjoy myself with a chica, the sex is almost always better with a regular girlfriend.

The difference is like watching golf on TV (a pleasant experience) and swinging the driver yourself on the course (much better)

Interesting discussion all around. I agree, MCSE, that eventually some jealous boyfriend is going to crush your skull with a brick. But enjoy the ride until then, heh heh heh.

Exactly. I am not saying it dosen't work (preying on a girls unrealistic hopes) it DOES work. But, the guys on the other side (and all attractive girls have SOME guy) are as skeptical of anybody near their pussy as you or I. Now these might not even be "pimps" in the traditional sense. They could be the lazy unemployed guy at home that DEPENDS on her income. He lets her try her "gig" with you but he KNOWS what you are doing be / c he sin't fantasizing about becoming a model-so it's clear to him. He decides you're not only poking his girl, but a distraction in his lifestyle. And here is where it ends; he and his friends "meet" you one day while you think you're getting another great blowjob! Who set the appointment up? The slightly disgruntled girl.

A girl will turn on you in a split second IF she dosen't get what she thinks she should. And, she will employ any tool available to fix things. I predict you won't have the option of "backing out" by the time you want to.

[Hunt99]

As the experienced mongers know, some times things (sexually speaking) works better when you have a regular girl, and does not matter her $ value.

Amen. While I usually enjoy myself with a chica, the sex is almost always better with a regular girlfriend.

The difference is like watching golf on TV (a pleasant experience) and swinging the driver yourself on the course (much better).

Interesting discussion all around. I agree, MCSE, that eventually some jealous boyfriend is going to crush your skull with a brick. But enjoy the ride until then, heh heh heh.

[DrakeCapital]

And teaching, encouraging, requiring them to FIGHT! IT keeps getting better. Get 'em all pissed and violent just before they figure out they've been mislead (and that's being kind) or worse, used and not "paid" for it.

[DrakeCapital]

Great idea, as you have a great base to kick off from. But full of potential twists and turns, like real life.

As these girls will probably have met various real potential clients in the past, I suggest you educate clients on a few basic exchanges to throw in, don't wear your dockers and sneakers, etc. Models will know the gig is up if your clients can't play the game right and that means educating them a bit, myself included if I was here, but would be hopefully for another time.

In the near future, I will be going to a cocktail / party type affaire where the agency types will mix in a few clients and friends with models and I have been educated to play the big shot. Not my style but I can pull it off.

I just hope that even putting this on the site has not already set up a problem.

Buen Suerte.

MAG

Oh man, I just gotta see what happens to you guys! You're gonna love it for awhile, and won't be able to stop until IT stops for you! The above concern can be added to my list of definite pitfalls.

Lastly, this is not a novel idea just because you are now thinking of it. It's old as time itself. I still wish you luck, howver. Keep us posted.

[MiddleAgeGuy]

Great idea, as you have a great base to kick off from. But full of potential twists and turns, like real life.

As these girls will probably have met various real potential clients in the past, I suggest you educate clients on a few basic exchanges to throw in, don't wear your dockers and sneakers, etc. Models will know the gig is up if your clients can't play the game right and that means educating them a bit, myself included if I was here, but would be hopefully for another time.

In the near future, I will be going to a cocktail / party type affaire where the agency types will mix in a few clients and friends with models and I have been educated to play the big shot. Not my style but I can pull it off.

I just hope that even putting this on the site has not already set up a problem.

Buen Suerte.

MAG

[MCSE]

This is the most interesting exchange I have read in weeks. I too believe that the longer you do this the greater the chances you'll run into a jealous male relative. It sounds like you are past the deception part of advertising for actors and now have a legitimate operation. Or are you still scamming?

It's a legitimate operation because I list and represent the models. So I do my job and I get paid, of course when I represent them. I also made several photo productions and those jobs are legitimate. Several productions are on my websites. There is nothing illegal on the operation, I used to 'exagerate' the prospectives models could have working for me. But now I don't need that bullshit.

So I proposed the models to get into this 'reality show' and pay them an attractive salary (of course I will pay them) and they must fight each other, and effort to being reelected for the next day and they can win. They get paid and they receive a bonus if they can stay for 4 days. http://www.barts.com.ar/barts/ap/

All this happens in the offices (alone and being encouraged by a kind of psicologyst) to do an effort to stay in the show, and then, they have dinner, they know the jury and then in the club. A nice and respectable club. In the VIP.

No one should get pissed off in this game, because the rules are clear. And best of all, everybody wins. If they get dismissed, they will get paid anyway. The 'jury' can either reelect them even if there is no approach, or they can dismiss them but everyone has fun anyway.

Boyfriends, that's not an issue. If these models could be in a serious movie and they get attached to the director, producer or whatever, do you think the director, producer or whatever will deny to fuck her for fearing the boyfriend?

Successfull actresses and models do that all the time and the boyfriend / husband must deal with it, or get divorced.

As stated, this is just an experiment. I think that:

A) paying them,.

Be) offering a bonus for the winner,

C) having them alone, 4 hours listening the same thing and subliminal messages like: he's cute, he's nice, you need that vote.

D) to have a kind of 'vacation' of 4 days with nice guys, in a funny environment, day after day (it's like a seminar and why you think that a big percentage of infidelities occurs in seminars)

E) the environment by itself.

It's just like forcing the nature a little bit! So I hope I can proof it, and if not, I can fix it then I can proof it!

[MCSE]

Keep having fun. What you might not realize is that you ARE exactly like most "model agencies". That is what all of them do. The girls are naive and stupid for thinking otherwise, but they soon learn. I can only say that when you mislead people and play with fire, it is only a matter of time befoe you are burnt. You will have lots of fun on the way, but it's gonna hurt real bad when it comes. Girls have agendas just like you, and it only takes ONE crazy girl (or her crazy "pimp") and game over. It is so much easier to pay a small fee, get laid, and disappear. Every one of these girls knows where to find you, and that is the danger. When you pay a small fee, or meet a non-pro in a bar, you both know what you are looking for so you haven't played with emotions or promises.

Do they meet you in your "office"? That is a problem is you're "gettin high on your own supply".

Do they believe you have lots of money, by what you tell them, even if it isn't true? Another problem, because you've made yourself a target for somebody playing a harder game than you.

Good luck, and keep me posted. So far so good, but it dosen't end well, if it ever ends. You might be the one smartest guy in the world to pull it off. I'll just pay the entrance fee!

Your statement it's right and I respect it. However, they have no 'pimps'. The working girls have pimps.

I think too than paying a small fee would be much easier for sex. And not paying a thing and masturbating it's even cheaper.

It's all about quality.

So there are several 'qualities' in the getting laid world: you have the street walkers, the borthels apartments, excedra, the triangle, madahos, black. And all above that you have Live the Dream.

In Argentina, the quality it's limited. As an experienced monger, who paid all kind of 'fees' I can tell you that.

Even the girls from Black are slutty. Not classy, and all of them somehow look similar. And I don't mean similar in their shape, but it's on their facial expression after a few months in the business.

As the experienced mongers know, some times things (sexually speaking) works better when you have a regular girl, and does not matter her $ value. Not for years but for months. That's nothing but the human nature. And human nature also says, after a few months you better move forward, when the Love is over. Sex it's all right, you go to the privado, you pay in advance, you fuck you cum and you are free to go, then what? After a few hours you feel alone. Especially when you are not in vacation. The party it's part of the life, at least I need it, and I need the foreplay, I like to seduce and get attracted, at least a little bit. So, that's why the boliches and the excedra exist so I think I'm not the only one. Of course sometimes I just need to spread the sperm away so I don't need all the bullshit, but some times only.

Our society's prerrogative it's on the beauty, quality and design. That's why you pay more for a bmw rather than a crappy car and probably that's why we even call it 'crappy' (ugly, usefulness, and bad designed) Beauty has more value and everyone knows about it.

I'm not smarter than anyone, I'm just a hard worker and lucky to work on what I like and what I like it's beauty.

So I'm still working on this project, I didn't said it's over and accomplished and I need to improve it. You can pay the fee and help to improve it, and I've started this thread to get new ideas and / or others interested on what I'm doing.

Thank you!

[BundaLover]

This is the most interesting exchange I have read in weeks. I too believe that the longer you do this the greater the chances you'll run into a jealous male relative. It sounds like you are past the deception part of advertising for actors and now have a legitimate operation. Or are you still scamming?

[DrakeCapital]

Well, I did not had that kind of problem (yet, LOL)

Probably, because you are thinking in the classic fake porn videos like "casting couchs" "mike's apartment". No, that's not my style, not the objective. While my goal remains getting laid, I would never do it with violence. And violence calls violence and I understand that's it's your picture on this. But it's not the way to do it.

I'm just nice with the girls, and THEY get a wrong picture on their minds. Lastnight I had dinner with a 19 Y.O. with tall and beautifull legs and ass girl, she is classy, she is pretty and she is young. You can talk about many things with her, she is smart and beautiful. I proposed to her to do a photoshooting and she accepted, she called me this morning just to greet me and tell me that she had a nice conversation last night. Last night nothing happened because I did not even pushed it to happen. But I had fun lastnight, and all the people in the resturant (both woman and males) were looking at her, as for her long legs and her shape. So, probably, by the next weekend I'll call her and take her AND another good looking model to get together to the club.

While 100 jerks enters to the club alone, and all they can do it's to get rejected everytime they try to speak to a nice looking girl I do my "star entrance" and I get all the attention.

Sure, I'm not in a hurry, and I had sex lastnight anyway, not with the long legged model, (but she is on my list) As the list grows, I can be less hurried, and girls are calling to "ask-for-the-possibility".

The only thing I did not fixed yet it's what's happens after I get laid with them: some of them remained at my side, and some of them got dissapointed because they were looking for great jobs and / or getting married and rising children together. No one complained too much, and the ones who complained just requested to be removed from the website and that's it. In fact, once happened that the model arrived with her boyfriend, I had a conversation with both, the next day we shooted the video at BAEZ apartment (she is the one who does the streap tease) and I fucked her after that. An hour later the boyfriend called her to her cellphone to tell her he was downstairs while we were fucking, she said to him: "get to the corner and have a coffee, I'm going in a while" She got much more horney then, and SHE asked me to get downstairs with her (which I did not wanted, but I did anyway) I was relaxed after the sex, and guess what. She kissed on him deep when she greeted him, and she still had a little of cum on her mouth. He said "Thank you" 3 times, yeah! Thanks for fucking your girl I thinked to myself.

All these girls has boyfriends and / or are married, because they are hot. But they know how to manage themselves. They will fuck a real producer / director anyway, in fact that's their goal.

A few years ago, Maradona (the soccer idol of Argentina) was in Cuba and he got attracted to a 17 years old VERY beautiful girl. So what he and his crew did? They invited her, her mother, her young boyfriend to party, several times until they had a better feedback, and slowly, the crew rejected the boyfriend to get together with them.

I don't say this kind of reactions (husbands, boyfriends) may never happen, but that will not stop me as does not stop me the risk of being beaten by a car when I cross the street.

Keep having fun. What you might not realize is that you ARE exactly like most "model agencies". That is what all of them do. The girls are naive and stupid for thinking otherwise, but they soon learn. I can only say that when you mislead people and play with fire, it is only a matter of time before you are burnt. You will have lots of fun on the way, but it's gonna hurt real bad when it comes. Girls have agendas just like you, and it only takes ONE crazy girl (or her crazy "pimp") and game over. It is so much easier to pay a small fee, get laid, and disappear. Every one of these girls knows where to find you, and that is the danger. When you pay a small fee, or meet a non-pro in a bar, you both know what you are looking for so you haven't played with emotions or promises.

Do they meet you in your "office"? That is a problem is you're "gettin high on your own supply".

Do they believe you have lots of money, by what you tell them, even if it isn't true? Another problem, because you've made yourself a target for somebody playing a harder game than you.

Good luck, and keep me posted. So far so good, but it dosen't end well, if it ever ends. You might be the one smartest guy in the world to pull it off. I'll just pay the entrance fee!

[MCSE]

I am sure you get laid plenty, but staying alive is one of my goals also. Not gettin jacked by some "stranger" that knows who I am, but I've never seen them before (like the girls' brother or pimp)

Good luck

Well, I did not had that kind of problem (yet, LOL)

Probably, because you are thinking in the classic fake porn videos like "casting couchs" "mike's apartment". No, that's not my style, not the objective. While my goal remains getting laid, I would never do it with violence. And violence calls violence and I understand that's it's your picture on this. But it's not the way to do it.

I'm just nice with the girls, and THEY get a wrong picture on their minds. Lastnight I had dinner with a 19 why / o tall and beautifull legs and ass girl, she is classy, she is pretty and she is young. You can talk about many things with her, she is smart and beautiful. I proposed to her to do a photoshooting and she accepted, she called me this morning just to greet me and tell me that she had a nice conversation last night. Last night nothing happened because I did not even pushed it to happen. But I had fun lastnight, and all the people in the resturant (both woman and males) were looking at her, as for her long legs and her shape. So, probably, by the next weekend I'll call her and take her AND another good looking model to get together to the club.

While 100 jerks enters to the club alone, and all they can do it's to get rejected everytime they try to speak to a nice looking girl I do my "star entrance" and I get all the attention.

Sure, I'm not in a hurry, and I had sex lastnight anyway, not with the long legged model, (but she is on my list) As the list grows, I can be less hurried, and girls are calling to "ask-for-the-possibility".

The only thing I did not fixed yet it's what's happens after I get laid with them: some of them remained at my side, and some of them got dissapointed because they were looking for great jobs and / or getting married and rising children together. No one complained too much, and the ones who complained just requested to be removed from the website and that's it. In fact, once happened that the model arrived with her boyfriend, I had a conversation with both, the next day we shooted the video at BAEZ apartment (she is the one who does the streap tease) and I fucked her after that. An hour later the boyfriend called her to her cellphone to tell her he was downstairs while we were fucking, she said to him: "get to the corner and have a coffee, I'm going in a while" She got much more horney then, and SHE asked me to get downstairs with her (which I did not wanted, but I did anyway) I was relaxed after the sex, and guess what. She kissed on him deep when she greeted him, and she still had a little of cum on her mouth. He said "Thank you" 3 times, yeah! Thanks for fucking your girl I thinked to myself.

All these girls has boyfriends and / or are married, because they are hot. But they know how to manage themselves. They will fuck a real producer / director anyway, in fact that's their goal.

A few years ago, Maradona (the soccer idol of Argentina) was in Cuba and he got attracted to a 17 years old VERY beautiful girl. So what he and his crew did? They invited her, her mother, her young boyfriend to party, several times until they had a better feedback, and slowly, the crew rejected the boyfriend to get together with them.

I don't say this kind of reactions (husbands, boyfriends) may never happen, but that will not stop me as does not stop me the risk of being beaten by a car when I cross the street.

[DrakeCapital]

My argentine girl and I come for vacation to Buenos Aires in 1997. It was not my first time in BA, but this time I stayed for 1 month.

Two years after, in 1999 I took the decision to move to Buenos Aires to start with an Internet related company. My project involved several businesses related, as ISP, design and development, owned portals and a cybercafé in the center of the city which by the way was the first seriously mounted cybercafé in Buenos Aires. Magicnet.

My partner and I organized two operations for the web development and design. One was DDH (design, development and Hosting) and the other one as Eye for you, this company wanted to produce contents and design and sale it for the USA market. Just 6 months later, in 2000 the dotcom industry experienced a big crash and Argentina itself started to fall into their own financial crisis. During the year 2000 we just worked to survive but we had no luck, in 2001 my partner suffered a blood pressure attack, and a few months later he passed away.

All the projects and illusions I had just vanished and the eye four ya project too.

In the argentine summer of 2002 I took charge of a big bakery placed in downtown with 25 employees, one of my first decisions was to replace part of the staff so we put an ad on the newspaper and hundreds of people answered the ad. I had a database structure that remained from a job we did for Scotiabank (a bank who vanished from Argentina and never paid for the jobs we did for them) So I used the structure for placing the counter staff candidates, which was full of inexperienced promotoras.

Several of these promotoras, also said they were fashion models, or fashion models aspirants and they included their background and book photos.

I answered many of the models trying to fuck them in exchange of nothing since I was broke and it was funny and cheap and best quality than fucking pro-girls. The thing worked not too good, but I managed to succeed with a couple of them.

So, I kept developing the database, with 50 records and made it grow to 100 records. A friend of mine helped me to put another ad looking for models, buying a couple of cellphones, renting an office and proceed with the first project-operation. Saying that we were bookers from an Italian model agency. So we mounted a fake casting and several girls attended to it.

We repeated the experience a few months later. This time with more resources and resulted better. So, in late 2003 I had a database with 150 aspirants, secretaries, actresses and promotoras.

I kept focused due the devaluation of the currency to export talent as programming, and design, my models aspirants database always was more a hobby than anything else, since I was and I still married so it was a really undercover operation.

However, the outsourcing businesses never succeed, so, one day I just decided to merge the database to the programmers and designers database on the website. In 2004 I had more than 300 records including designers and programmers. One year later, in the beginning of 2005 I said, what the fuck and I deleted the old website, and created a new one more oriented to export models than programming and design services. I had to put a 50% of fake models on it, since my real models were too amateur. The amazing thing out of this was that many professional models, actresses, actors asked online to be included on the lists, so I started to include every new profile on the database and made it grow up to 700 records. Then I removed the designers, programmers and focused more on the artists and models than anything else and modified the website several times. While kept as a hobby the website received more than 1.000 unique visitors per day and I had around 30 new applications pending a week. I was able also to do some real professional productions and represent some models helping them in the legal and negotiating issues, and fucking them for something instead of nothing. In fact I got associated with a model to start this business seriously. That really encouraged me to start with another career, while my original idea always kept untouchable and remained focused into fucking the bitches. These bitches and believe me, because I've been in touch with them for several years, are worst than any professional *****. So I feel that somehow, my duty it's to equalize the things and to put them in the position they deserve to be.

That's the reason for the live the dream project to exist.

That "experiment" has been done a million times, and always with the same outcome. Somebody (either a boyfrind, pissed off chick, or a jealous asshole) is gonna give you a big fat problem. You might get beat up, stabbed or robbed repeatedly, but you a fucking with fire!

I am sure you get laid plenty, but staying alive is one of my goals also. Not gettin jacked by some "stranger" that knows who I am, but I've never seen them before (like the girls' brother or pimp)

Good luck

[MCSE]

My argentine girl and I come for vacation to Buenos Aires in 1997. It was not my first time in BA, but this time I stayed for 1 month.

Two years after, in 1999 I took the decision to move to Buenos Aires to start with an Internet related company. My project involved several businesses related, as ISP, design and development, owned portals and a cybercafé in the center of the city which by the way was the first seriously mounted cybercafé in Buenos Aires. Magicnet.

My partner and I organized two operations for the web development and design. One was DDH (design, development and Hosting) and the other one as Eye for you, this company wanted to produce contents and design and sale it for the USA market. Just 6 months later, in 2000 the dotcom industry experienced a big crash and Argentina itself started to fall into their own financial crisis. During the year 2000 we just worked to survive but we had no luck, in 2001 my partner suffered a blood pressure attack, and a few months later he passed away.

All the projects and illusions I had just vanished and the eye four ya project too.

In the argentine summer of 2002 I took charge of a big bakery placed in downtown with 25 employees, one of my first decisions was to replace part of the staff so we put an ad on the newspaper and hundreds of people answered the ad. I had a database structure that remained from a job we did for Scotiabank (a bank who vanished from Argentina and never paid for the jobs we did for them) So I used the structure for placing the counter staff candidates, which was full of inexperienced promotoras.

Several of these promotoras, also said they were fashion models, or fashion models aspirants and they included their background and book photos.

I answered many of the models trying to fuck them in exchange of nothing since I was broke and it was funny and cheap and best quality than fucking pro-girls. The thing worked not too good, but I managed to succeed with a couple of them.

So, I kept developing the database, with 50 records and made it grow to 100 records. A friend of mine helped me to put another ad looking for models, buying a couple of cellphones, renting an office and proceed with the first project-operation. Saying that we were bookers from an Italian model agency. So we mounted a fake casting and several girls attended to it.

We repeated the experience a few months later. This time with more resources and resulted better. So, in late 2003 I had a database with 150 aspirants, secretaries, actresses and promotoras.

I kept focused due the devaluation of the currency to export talent as programming, and design, my models aspirants database always was more a hobby than anything else, since I was and I still married so it was a really undercover operation.

However, the outsourcing businesses never succeed, so, one day I just decided to merge the database to the programmers and designers database on the website. In 2004 I had more than 300 records including designers and programmers. One year later, in the beginning of 2005 I said, what the fuck and I deleted the old website, and created a new one more oriented to export models than programming and design services. I had to put a 50% of fake models on it, since my real models were too amateur. The amazing thing out of this was that many professional models, actresses, actors asked online to be included on the lists, so I started to include every new profile on the database and made it grow up to 700 records. Then I removed the designers, programmers and focused more on the artists and models than anything else and modified the website several times. While kept as a hobby the website received more than 1.000 unique visitors per day and I had around 30 new applications pending a week. I was able also to do some real professional productions and represent some models helping them in the legal and negotiating issues, and fucking them for something instead of nothing. In fact I got associated with a model to start this business seriously. That really encouraged me to start with another career, while my original idea always kept untouchable and remained focused into fucking the bitches. These bitches and believe me, because I've been in touch with them for several years, are worst than any professional *****. So I feel that somehow, my duty it's to equalize the things and to put them in the position they deserve to be.

That's the reason for the live the dream project to exist.