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  1. #27

    Don't know about legal or not

    Quote Originally Posted by Troy Man
    Thank you guys for all these information. After I read all threads here, I just still confused and I hope some one give me a clear and direct answer to my question.

    I will go to Buenos Aires next month, I have 30 yrs old, I know a girl from there who is above 16 years old (but less than 17 years) we talk always on messneger and phone. She want that we make full sex relation when I be there. I don't want have any kind of illlegal problems (such as police.

    Is it legally to have full sex relation with 16 years old girl in argentina?

    If not, what are my limits of passing fun time with my girl?

    Thanks.

    Troy
    But if you have only met her MSN and phone I would have my personal safety in the forefront of my mind when I met her. I suspect a set up, either for robbery or blackmail due to her being underage.

  2. #26

    Is that legal

    Thank you guys for all these information. After I read all threads here, I just still confused and I hope some one give me a clear and direct answer to my question.

    I will go to Buenos Aires next month, I have 30 yrs old, I know a girl from there who is above 16 years old (but less than 17 years) we talk always on messneger and phone. She want that we make full sex relation when I be there. I don't want have any kind of illlegal problems (such as police.

    Is it legally to have full sex relation with 16 years old girl in argentina?

    If not, what are my limits of passing fun time with my girl?

    Thanks.

    Troy

  3. #25

    Where are they located?

    I would like to personally volunteer to go and save these poor, defenseless, little girls.

    Bring them over to my house for a nice warm bath and a hot meal.

    What else, ugh.

    Have you got an address?

    Just joking boys!

  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamesp
    OK, I'm sorry if this is a duplicate, I've searched but haven't seen anything addressing this.

    This question is sparked by a recent message posted about under aged girls being forced to work in prividos around San Miguel (or Tigre, I forgot which and can't find the message now)

    Anyway, I would like to try out a privido, but I have no desire to bang a 15 year old, or even 17. I'm quite content with the 18-30 scene.

    As I mentioned before, I also have this mental block about wanting to be sure that the lady I'm with isn't some sort of sex slave.

    Maybe a stupid question, I don't know anything about this culture yet. However, though I certainly prefer younger women (20-24) I definitely don't want to have an encounter with someone younger than legal age, who could get me in trouble for anything. (I already understand from another thread that there are two legal ages here, 18 and 21)

    So. How would a monger know which prividos in this area are simply places of safe employment (like an office) for the girls, vs which ones have the girls on some sort of leash where they are forced into fucking all day long.

    I realize that this issue can be avoided by focusing on just the bars and clubs, but my question is really about the prividos: Is it possible to tell which ones are safe (and intune with my complicated morals) -- or should all prividos be realistically considered potential routes for the sex trade business?
    Briefly, it's hard to avoid it entirely. I was fooled a long ago by two teenagers whom I would have never suspected about, and I share the same language and cultural codes. Almost all privados should be considered potential routes for the sex trade business.

    Also, I had a very disgusting experience of a girl breaking down emotionally while on service, crying and asking to see her child. I suspected a sex slave.

    That said, there are ways to minimize such involvements to happen:

    1) Choose well-known privados routinely visited by fellow mongers and not having a high rotation of girls.

    2) Avoid very cheap places, since these places are prone to have girls working for almost nothing.

    3) Pay attention to girls demeanor. If they look like zoombies when presented to you, then chances are that they are sexual slaves. If they have a well established record of service, chances are that they are adults.

    What happen if you are caught by the police? You'll have to pay an expensive bribe. Believe me, that would be 1000 times better than going to jail on rape charges, even if only one night in a police station.

    Use common sense and in case of doubt, ask this board. That should help you avoid these problems.

    Hope this helps,

    Andres

  5. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by El Alamo
    Aqualung.

    The fucking most ridiculous labor laws in the known world and the fucking most worthless unions in the universe
    I agree with you. I've had to deal with my share of union delegates.

  6. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung
    A great percentage of working girls in Argentina are not Argentine. Paraguayan, Dominican, Uruguayan, Brazilian, Colombian etc etc. Wouldn't that mean that they have better opportunity here than in their country of origin?

    I'm not saying that this is so, I'm just wondering.
    Aqualung.

    You are absolutely correct. Although the majority of the working girls in Buenos Aires are from Argentina, there are many working girls from other countries.

    In previous posts I always stated that countries with economic policies like Argentina have forced girls to turn to prostitution. Argentina is not the only country that more or less forces young girls to resort to prostitution for economic survival.

    However, I have a hard time understanding why Argentina, a country of unlimited potential, cannot do better for its citizens

    If you are wondering what economic policies in Argentina force girls to resort to prostitution I will say it one more time: the fucking most ridiculous labor laws in the known world and the fucking most worthless unions in the universe

  7. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by El Alamo
    The issue in Argentina is not that the 60 year old guy is taking advantage of the 17 year old girl. That 17 year old girl is available only because of economic necessity. She would be with a 90 year old guy for the same reason. She, her child or children and / or her family need economic assistance.

    She is not being taken advantage of by the 60 or 90 year old guy. Her country, in this case Argentina, has abondoned her. She has no future, she has no opportunity, she has no dreams, she has no plans and she has no hope.

    The government of Argentina has thrown her to the curb. The fucking ridiculous labor laws of Argentina and the fucking worthless unions of Argentina are causing incomprehensible suffering for these people.

    Thanks to the fucking ridiculous labor laws of Argentina and thanks to the fucking worthless unions of Argentina, Argentina has had slow, perpetual economic decline for the past 100 years and can look forward to continued, slow, perpetual economic decline forever.
    A great percentage of working girls in Argentina are not Argentine. Paraguayan, Dominican, Uruguayan, Brazilian, Colombian etc etc. Wouldn't that mean that they have better opportunity here than in their country of origin?

    I'm not saying that this is so, I'm just wondering.

  8. #20

    Angry

    Quote Originally Posted by BA Luvr
    I'm not an expert by any means, but in at least some states, statutory rape (which is what you imply with your example of an 18 yo having sex with a younger girl) is not based on being under 18 alone but by the difference in ages. I can't remember exactly what the criterion is, but it's several years, not one. So your 18 yo would be in trouble if he had sex with someone only 15. That's not a bad law, IMHO.

    Now I don't think that would help a 60 yo with a 17 yo. Oops!;-0
    The issue in Argentina is not that the 60 year old guy is taking advantage of the 17 year old girl. That 17 year old girl is available only because of economic necessity. She would be with a 90 year old guy for the same reason. She, her child or children and / or her family need economic assistance.

    She is not being taken advantage of by the 60 or 90 year old guy. Her country, in this case Argentina, has abondoned her. She has no future, she has no opportunity, she has no dreams, she has no plans and she has no hope.

    The government of Argentina has thrown her to the curb. The fucking ridiculous labor laws of Argentina and the fucking worthless unions of Argentina are causing incomprehensible suffering for these people.

    Thanks to the fucking ridiculous labor laws of Argentina and thanks to the fucking worthless unions of Argentina, Argentina has had slow, perpetual economic decline for the past 100 years and can look forward to continued, slow, perpetual economic decline forever.

  9. #19

    Law clarification

    I'm not an expert by any means, but in at least some states, statutory rape (which is what you imply with your example of an 18 yo having sex with a younger girl) is not based on being under 18 alone but by the difference in ages. I can't remember exactly what the criterion is, but it's several years, not one. So your 18 yo would be in trouble if he had sex with someone only 15. That's not a bad law, IMHO.

    Now I don't think that would help a 60 yo with a 17 yo. Oops!;-0

  10. #18
    I'm actually not sure if it is better or worse either as I have always found it to be pretty ridiculous to try to regulate a woman selling sex services. I also have a problem with an 18 year old going to jail for having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend and being labelled as a sex offender and tracked for the rest of his life. Sometimes I think that Americans see everything as too black and white almost as if life is a comic book, which leads to some ridiculous situations.

  11. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by Daddy Rulz
    Aqua, given your experience what do you think is the reason for all this ambiguity? Is it opportunity for graft? Or maybe the legislature doesn't want to publicly face the problem? I'm pretty hip to the "manyana" attitude of the Southern Hemisphere but defining what is or is not an age of sexual consent seems like an important issue to me.

    BsAs hasn't always been a sex tourist destination, before the crisis it was simply too expensive for most people to go there, so it can't be to provide opportunity to "sting" extranjeros. I know there has been a persistent rumor that Juan Peron liked them very young. Could it be a holdover from that defining era in Argentine politics?

    Thanks
    Daddy - A good question! I personally think it's because of stupidity or the strict adherence to the written word (law) There is no doubt that the age of consent is 16. Below that it's against the law. It's just that all the rest has been the result of patches and modifications. As I said before, prostitution doesn't exist in Argentina! It's neither permitted or prohibited. Maybe the lawmakers aren't hypocrite enough to prohibit something they all have indulged in nor controversial enough to allow something the Catholic church would disprove of. (Argentina together with Ireland were the last places to have a divorce law! And remember, there aren't many lobbying for free prostitution!

    And as to adherence to the strict written word. A friend of mine some years back sees from his bedroom window how some young punk breaks into his property and steals his son's moped. My friend gets dressed and runs downstairs, gets into the car and goes after the crook, caught him and carts him off to the local police station.

    The next day he gets an apologetic call from the police station that they have to release the punk because the judge considered it an attempted robbery and not a robbery as my friend had caught the little fucker himself not allowing the robbery to take place!

    This story may seem to have nothing to do with the subject at matter but it is to exemplify the way the judges "read" the law here. If prostitution doesn't exist then they can't penalize a prostitute! This has nothing to do with corruption but it does help corruption exist.

    For Americans, especially WASP's it's difficult to understand the way things work here. I'm not a judge of whether it's better or worse (you have your share of ridiculous, hypocritical laws in the US) It's just different!

  12. #16

    Your opinion please

    Quote Originally Posted by Aqualung
    The problem here is that there is a great grey area. The age of consent is 16, to enter a "hotel alojamiento" for example is 18 and to conduct a business is 21.

    As prostitution is neither legal nor illegal there are no clear guide lines to go by.
    Aqua, given your experience what do you think is the reason for all this ambiguity? Is it opportunity for graft? Or maybe the legislature doesn't want to publicly face the problem? I'm pretty hip to the "manyana" attitude of the Southern Hemisphere but defining what is or is not an age of sexual consent seems like an important issue to me.

    BsAs hasn't always been a sex tourist destination, before the crisis it was simply too expensive for most people to go there, so it can't be to provide opportunity to "sting" extranjeros. I know there has been a persistent rumor that Juan Peron liked them very young. Could it be a holdover from that defining era in Argentine politics?

    Thanks

  13. #15
    The problem here is that there is a great grey area. The age of consent is 16, to enter a "hotel alojamiento" for example is 18 and to conduct a business is 21.

    As prostitution is neither legal nor illegal there are no clear guide lines to go by. Usually law enforcement bust a privado for reasons other than prostitution such as evading tax, immigration laws, labour laws, health laws (ley de profilaxis) or even excess noise.

    It's unlikely that in any of the privados frequented by mongers here there are any girls working against their will. This is much more likely in the greater Bs. As. Or the provinces where enforcement is more complicated. There it's not uncommon to find girls as young as 12 or 14.

    So it all boils down to whether the chica is old enough (21) to charge you. If she paying tax, pension and health. If she is old enough (18) to watch a porn movie with you or go to a "tello" or if she is over 16 and under 18 she can only work 6 hour shifts instead of 8. If she is Argentine or if she is a foreigner. If she is a foreigner does she have her documents in order (and a working permit)

    Lots of variables! So just do what you think is correct!

  14. #14
    There are girls under 18 years of age working in privados. In most cases nobody is forcing them to work. They work out of economic necessity.

    There is a price to pay for the ridiculous economic policies of countries like Argentina. The price is the suffering these policies are inflicting on their citizens

  15. #13
    Hmm, if I was in a privado and saw a girl I thought was underage, I think I'd seriously consider leaving an anonymous message with the police, AND a message with a newspaper detailing when and what the message was, so the police won't be able to be bought off in secret.

    If I'm wrong, and the chica is just a young-looking 18 year old, then regardless of the law here, I think that's the best age of consent.

    I'd do the same if I was buying pot from somebody, and then see him selling to a ten year old.

    I know a lot of people hate the idea of being a rat, but certain things trump that, in my view.

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