American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[WorldTravel69]

But to the ones that Rock Harders post pointed out.

"Essentially Jackson (and his fascist brethren on this thread) want to make all the money and all the decisions and have a massive underclass of serfs running around attending to them and earning only enough money to barely feed themselves on. Unfortunately for Jackson and his fascist fan boys the USA still functions on a one person one vote principle and as recent presidential elections clearly show, people of his thinking are clearly outnumbered."

Robert Reich sounds like a nut case in the article you posted. He's criticizing efficient allocation of capital and improvements in productivity. Follow his advice and in the long term the economy will go down the toilet." Your Opinion

As to being an American, the founders would roll over in their graves if they saw the current state of the federal government. True, there would be another revolution to get a new Congress into office.
The USA under Obama is out of sync with most of the rest of the world, In your Opinion, not the rest of the world. which has moved towards free markets and away from statism. What spelling is this?
If you want to find a place ideally suited to your views you better hurry up and move, as Cuba is the last place left, although there will always be less desirable alternatives like Venezuela and Bolivia. North Korea sounds like what you want. No rights at all.

You're extrapolating a lot BTW. I never ventured an opinion as to whether the bailouts worked or didn't work. And I've never said anything about food stamps.

[WorldTravel69]

Let's repeat Rock Harders post.

"Mongers-.

Basically, what Jackson REALLY wants is the following:

- Immediate re institution of Jim Crow Laws.

- Literacy / IQ tests at the polls before voting allowed.

- Minimum annual income requirement of $100,000 USD to be permitted to vote.

- Allow injured / sick people to suffer / die outside the emergency room if they have no insurance or ability to pay on the spot.

- Round up and shoot all illegal immigrants.

- Lower minimum wage to $2 USD / hour.

Essentially Jackson (and his fascist brethren on this thread) want to make all the money and all the decisions and have a massive underclass of serfs running around attending to them and earning only enough money to barely feed themselves on. Unfortunately for Jackson and his fascist fan boys the USA still functions on a one person one vote principle and as recent presidential elections clearly show, people of his thinking are clearly outnumbered.

Suerte,

Rock Harders.

Holy Shit Batman, where in the world did you come up with that list of total asinine be / S. Jackson has always advocated everyone working and contributing to the whole so what is your problem with that?

Is your proposition to force the "rich" to work and support those who don't work? They tried that already and it didn't work. It just made everyone the same, poor, except for the ruling elite.

Socialism has been tried many times and it fails every time due to human nature, which liberals chose to ignore.

From your list here is my proposal and not Jackson's.

Deporting illegal aliens and if they want in do it the legal way. Reagan tried legalizing them and it has only made the problem worse.

You don't pay taxes you don't get to vote.

Leave care for the indigent to the community or state and get it out of the federal government's hands to those who cannot print money to support an unsupportable program.

[Tiny12]

The Bail outs Worked.

Get your head out of your?

You are not an American, just one by being born here; or were you, Let's see Your Birth Certificate? Freedom for You but not all, just the Rich.

You may want to read this a Little.

Robert Reich sounds like a 1st Country American, not some 3rd world Dictator.

Robert Reich sounds like a nut case in the article you posted. He's criticizing efficient allocation of capital and improvements in productivity. Follow his advice and in the long term the economy will go down the toilet.

As to being an American, the founders would roll over in their graves if they saw the current state of the federal government. The USA under Obama is out of sync with most of the rest of the world, which has moved towards free markets and away from statism. If you want to find a place ideally suited to your views you better hurry up and move, as Cuba is the last place left, although there will always be less desirable alternatives like Venezuela and Bolivia.

You're extrapolating a lot BTW. I never ventured an opinion as to whether the bailouts worked or didn't work. And I've never said anything about food stamps.

[Member #4112]

Mongers-.

Basically, what Jackson REALLY wants is the following:

- Immediate reinstitution of Jim Crow Laws.

- Literacy / IQ tests at the polls before voting allowed.

- Minimum annual income requirement of $100,000 USD to be permitted to vote.

- Allow injured / sick people to suffer / die outside the emergency room if they have no insurance or ability to pay on the spot.

- Round up and shoot all illegal immigrants.

- Lower minimum wage to $2 USD / hour.

Essentially Jackson (and his fascist brethren on this thread) want to make all the money and all the decisions and have a massive underclass of serfs running around attending to them and earning only enough money to barely feed themselves on. Unfortunately for Jackson and his fascist fan boys the USA still functions on a one person one vote principle and as recent presidential elections clearly show, people of his thinking are clearly outnumbered.

Suerte,

Rock Harders.

Holy Shit Batman, where in the world did you come up with that list of total asinine be / S. Jackson has always advocated everyone working and contributing to the whole so what is your problem with that?

Is your proposition to force the "rich" to work and support those who don't work? They tried that already and it didn't work. It just made everyone the same, poor, except for the ruling elite.

Socialism has been tried many times and it fails every time due to human nature, which liberals chose to ignore.

From your list here is my proposal and not Jackson's.

Deporting illegal aliens and if they want in do it the legal way. Reagan tried legalizing them and it has only made the problem worse.

You don't pay taxes you don't get to vote.

Leave care for the indigent to the community or state and get it out of the federal government's hands to those who cannot print money to support an unsupportable program.

[Rock Harders]

Mongers-.

Basically, what Jackson REALLY wants is the following:

- Immediate reinstitution of Jim Crow Laws.

- Literacy / IQ tests at the polls before voting allowed.

- Minimum annual income requirement of $100,000 USD to be permitted to vote.

- Allow injured / sick people to suffer / die outside the emergency room if they have no insurance or ability to pay on the spot.

- Round up and shoot all illegal immigrants.

- Lower minimum wage to $2 USD / hour.

Essentially Jackson (and his fascist brethren on this thread) want to make all the money and all the decisions and have a massive underclass of serfs running around attending to them and earning only enough money to barely feed themselves on. Unfortunately for Jackson and his fascist fan boys the USA still functions on a one person one vote principle and as recent presidential elections clearly show, people of his thinking are clearly outnumbered.

Suerte,

Rock Harders.

Why does that happen? Because the Democratics buy the votes of the lazy fuckoffs with government money, thus securing their power base with permanent government dependents.

Of course, the most important thing is that we're not talking about the ObamaCare diaster!

Thanks,

Jackson

[Member #4112]

First for all our liberal / progressive friends who obsess about the Top 1% of earners, by the way the threshold for the top one percent depending on the source is somewhere between $323 K and 368 K, even if you took all their income it would not run the government for more than a few weeks. The sad fact is the liberal / progressives just can't stand to see folks making more than they do, that is until you start taking their money.

WT69 / Hard Rocker / Esten, there is no proof whatsoever the "bailout worked" when it comes to GM and Chrysler.

Chrysler "An AMERICAN AUTOMAKER":

Fiat's current ownership of Chrysler stands at 58.5% and is poised to complete the merger of the two companies unless the UAW retiree's trust which owns the remaining 41.5% of the stock screws the pooch with an IPO offering which is being fought out in court as we speak. Should the UAW proceed Fiat will pull back support and the automaker will be down the tubes again.

Question, how can a company in the process of merging with an Italian automaker who owes 58.5% of the stock be an AMERICAN automaker? When the merger closes what you call Chrysler today will be all Fiat tomorrow.

Did we somehow annex Italy so it's still an AMERICAN company?

GM "They paid back their bailout loan":

To date the taxpayers have lost $10 Billion on "saving" GM. In addition GM and Chrysler have the highest labor cost of the American Big 3 and all three have higher labor costs than their foreign competitors. Maybe that's because of the UAW since the foreign companies are not unionized?

http://www.ibtimes.com/taxpayer-loss...rising-1468890

Again neither Chrysler nor GM considered filing for liquidation of the companies under Chapter 7, so your argument about throwing all those poor UAW folks out of work and closing two automakers is false on its face and typical liberal / progressive hype to scare people.

So that only leaves us with the only reason Obama instituted "Obama – ruptcy" for GM and Chrysler was to save the UAW labor contracts and to rape the bondholders, who are first in line for payment, transferring a majority of their interest to the UAW.

You guys have no proof whatsoever that GM and Chrysler would not have been in much better competitive shape with lower labor costs had they been allowed to proceed through a normal Chapter 11 bankruptcy, which would have among other things allowed them to void their labor contracts with the UAW.

All you do have now is GM costing the taxpayer's $10 Billion and rising and Chrysler which has been sold to Fiat.

Great going guys a perfect example of crony capitalism.

[Jackson]

WT, it's very simple. We just need to help the wealthy make even more money, so that more money will trickle back down.

No, we need for EVERYBODY to make more money, but some people are so fucking lazy that they'd prefer to sit on their asses and collect government checks.

You liberals just don't get it. Instead of fighting over who gets how much of the pie, let's just bake more pies.

Everybody needs to work. Everybody needs to contribute. The more of us who are working, the wealthier we will all be.

Or we can follow the liberal plan, which is an ever-srinking number of us working to support an increasingly greater number of lazy fuckoffs.

Why does that happen? Because the Democratics buy the votes of the lazy fuckoffs with government money, thus securing their power base with permanent government dependents.

Of course, the most important thing is that we're not talking about the ObamaCare diaster!

Thanks,

Jackson

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For the record, I am NOT a Republican, and I am NOT a conservative.

- I am against the death penalty.
- I am against any government support of religious organizations.
- I am for the legalization of drugs.
- I am for the legalization of commercial sex.
- I am for a woman's right to choose.
- I am for comprehensive sex education.
- I am for a foreign guest worker program.
- I am for a universal flat tax on EVERYONE'S income.

I am a member of the Libertarian Party, registered as an Independent.

[Esten]

Come on you Republican, independents and Libertarians feel about how the Trickle Down Reagan politics are working today?

Walmart employees are not making a living wage.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/29/news...-black-friday/

Come let's here your Bullshit reasons.

WT, it's very simple. We just need to help the wealthy make even more money, so that more money will trickle back down.

[WorldTravel69]

Come on you Republican, independents and Libertarians feel about how the Trickle Down Reagan politics are working today?

Walmart employees are not making a living wage.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/29/news...-black-friday/

Come let's here your Bullshit reasons.

[WorldTravel69]

The Bail outs Worked.

Get your head out of your?

You are not an American, just one by being born here; or were you, Let's see Your Birth Certificate? Freedom for You but not all, just the Rich.

You may want to read this a Little.

Robert Reich sounds like a 1st Country American, not some 3rd world Dictator.

I have no idea whether what you wrote is true or good, except that Chrysler will become an ITALIAN auto company, not an American company, as a result of its bailout. I do know that Obama's restructuring of Chrysler and GM are classic examples of Fascist Corporatism, as practiced by Mussolini and as promoted by WT69's hero, Robert Reich:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...st_corporatism.

Government called the shots, pushed aside debt-holders, and replaced private ownership with ownership by government and labor unions. I believe at the time Chrysler emerged from Chapter 11, over 50% of the equity had been transferred to the unions.

You calling people who opposed the bailouts "fascists" is irony in the extreme.

[Tiny12]

Wrong again. The real issue is that the auto bailouts were successful and today there are two financially viable AMERICAN auto companies that would NOT exist "as is" had the USG not stepped in before they totally imploded.

I have no idea whether what you wrote is true or good, except that Chrysler will become an ITALIAN auto company, not an American company, as a result of its bailout. I do know that Obama's restructuring of Chrysler and GM are classic examples of Fascist Corporatism, as practiced by Mussolini and as promoted by WT69's hero, Robert Reich:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corpora...st_corporatism.

Government called the shots, pushed aside debt-holders, and replaced private ownership with ownership by government and labor unions. I believe at the time Chrysler emerged from Chapter 11, over 50% of the equity had been transferred to the unions.

You calling people who opposed the bailouts "fascists" is irony in the extreme.

[Rock Harders]

Technically, he said that in fact Chapter 13 of the bankruptcy code wasn't being used. That was the crux of his comments.

Your retort about Chapter 13 vs Chapter 11 was just more liberal obfuscation of the real issue.

Of course, the most important thing is that we're not talking about the ObamaCare diaster!

Wrong again. The real issue is that the auto bailouts were successful and today there are two financially viable AMERICAN auto companies that would NOT exist "as is" had the USG not stepped in before they totally imploded.

[Jackson]

You claimed that Chapter 13 of the bankruptcy code was used; this was false information and I called you out on it, simple as that.

Technically, he said that in fact Chapter 13 of the bankruptcy code wasn't being used. That was the crux of his comments.

Your retort about Chapter 13 vs Chapter 11 was just more liberal obfuscation of the real issue.

Of course, the most important thing is that we're not talking about the ObamaCare diaster!

[Rock Harders]

If you READ the first sentence of the post I clearly indicated Obama circumvented the United States Bankruptcy Code and took both GM & Chrysler into a totally illegal quasi-bankruptcy proceeding I referred to as "Obama-ruptcy". Chapter 11 was what both company's and all other companies normally follow when attempting to reorganize. A good example of reorganization would be the airline industry, many carriers have entered bankruptcy for reorganization and one of the many results is court authorization to void labor contracts.

Are you trying to say this did not happen? Are you trying to say GM did not pay off it's initial bailout loan with another loan from the government?

I clearly stated Obama used this quasi-bankruptcy proceeding made up from whole cloth to shield the UAW and prevent GM & Chrysler from entering a full Chapter 11 reorganization so as not to have their labor contracts with UAW voided, not to mention their retirement and healthcare benefits, while striping the equity holders and transferring its value in part to the UAW.

Please do a bit of research before posting. There are many articles regarding this matter.

You claimed that Chapter 13 of the bankruptcy code was used; this was false information and I called you out on it, simple as that.

[Member #4112]

This is inaccurate information. Chapter 13 bankruptcy laws had absolutely nothing to do with the GM or Chrysler bailouts and were not applicable in either case.

If you READ the first sentence of the post I clearly indicated Obama circumvented the United States Bankruptcy Code and took both GM & Chrysler into a totally illegal quasi-bankruptcy proceeding I referred to as "Obama-ruptcy". Chapter 11 was what both company's and all other companies normally follow when attempting to reorganize. A good example of reorganization would be the airline industry, many carriers have entered bankruptcy for reorganization and one of the many results is court authorization to void labor contracts.

Are you trying to say this did not happen? Are you trying to say GM did not pay off it's initial bailout loan with another loan from the government?

I clearly stated Obama used this quasi-bankruptcy proceeding made up from whole cloth to shield the UAW and prevent GM & Chrysler from entering a full Chapter 11 reorganization so as not to have their labor contracts with UAW voided, not to mention their retirement and healthcare benefits, while striping the equity holders and transferring its value in part to the UAW.

Please do a bit of research before posting. There are many articles regarding this matter.