Buenos Aires - 2003 Reports

[Jaimito Cartero]

Hey, Exon used quite a few periods in his last post. Great job! Now we can start on the spaces between paragraphs.

It does make posts much easier to read.

[Stowe]

To all the WSG posters,

I am a brand new member (as you can tell my my post number), however I have been lurking on this board for about a month 'learning' about Argentina. I am back into the mongering (only in Costa Rica and locally in the SF area) scene after a few years of absence (marriage) and plan to travel to Buenos Aires sometime next year for about 3 weeks.

I have found this board to be of trememdous value in my quest to begin my travels to Argentina, and eventually Rio, Cartengena and other locales.

Since I have very little to contribute, I do not plan to post very often however, when I get nearer to my trip I will have many questions and hope you will help. Perhaps when I go, I will meet some of you there.

My first question is whether a Visa is required for Argentina for an American traveling to that country? It does not appear one is required but I am not positive.

Thanks and keep posting. Each post educates me more. I am very excited for my trip and feel I will be extremely prepared thanks to all of you.

Stowe

[James D 2004]

Angeles that I reported was not the one on Platynum. I asked for her in English from Guemes's number. Supposed to be the same person but they send me a different one.

Sabrina at areavip, wasn't available at the time but his "male friend" speak English. He sent me one but wasn't my type and I returned her. At least he's honest and made a follow up call.

Sean EZ, nobody seemed to want wasting their time so I'll give my opinion. Wait at the lobby isn't a clever idea. The hotel would want discretion. She normally have to register if you let her go up to your room. It's more unlikely she would refuse to go and make a scene, which was never reported. If she is bait and switch, give her taxi fare or not there shouldn't be any problem to send her away. I did print pictures because I didn't bring any laptop. That was only for me to remember who's who. But once I laughed at a girl's gorgeous picture while she didn't have much makeup on, she reduced the price to a more local level.

Darwinian forces dictates that all Internet girls evolve to having some common features, but since you meet her in Argentina at the end, there's also some local adaptations. I don't think that bait and switch is that common, since you can just send her away without trouble. But if she is not available, her roommate may probably go instead. And if that's not her private number, it's not unlikely that they will send anyone available. That's particularly true if they knows you are a tourist, and for girls claimed to have some English skills, who all have English speaking helpers to answer the phone.

The truly bait and switch that I met is a girl with a name starting with Ab. A lot of websites still use alpha order so most of the girls name started with A. This girl Ab... played that to extreme. But of course she has something that attracts you to let her stay. I asked for a skinny girl but got a bay watch babe. Apart from the general flaws below, I looked at her legs, ass, thinking about the completo that she will deliver, I let her stay.

To avoid bait and switch, and to make sure that you can go passionate, she have to show face. Wear bikini and go topless. Avoid professionally taken pictures with professional lighting (or airbrush). But if you filter out according to these rules, the few who left probably don't turn you on.

Since most girls are under 25, most have nice skins, leggy and curvy with good ass compared to Asians. The place to watch is the breast. I saw one too many with TJ flaps on the chest. In California, girls with breast like this would have gone under the knife, tidy up to make a neat young flat A, or put something in up to a full grown D. The nearest place that I can find these flaps is in TJ. With a bra on it looked rather good and you can't tell. It's not bad but if you are not used to seeing it, take care. In addition, the natural nipples on the natural flaps are not neat either.

The other place to watch is the tummy. Young Asian girls who don't work out still have a tummy curved in. Same for European girls who don't work out, their tummy is OK if they watch their diet, and in good shape but they may not have a hard body. I saw Argentina girls who have a nice curvy hard body but there's a tiny hint of belly. If they work out that part a bit they can do porn movies.

Most outcall girls don't wear makeup, perhaps it's relatively expensive in Argentina. And they don't wear sexy clothes, the same elsewhere. But they all have to wear makeup and dress sexy to look nice in photos. So you have to bear that in mind. I met some who turn up like surfers girl, with no signs of makeup, but signs of weathering on the face due to sun, sea or soap. They are pretty young and looked OK, but if they wear a little makeup they will look like angels. In contrast, the club girls all wear makeups, some a lot. Daytime they may look a lot different, and also when they left after a session, when the makeup wore down.

So for newbies I highly recommend to go to some good apartments to establish some baseline ASAP. If you see Internet girls later you know who to turn away and who to go to bed. Say Santa Fe 1707 they all walk around individually in high heels, bikini or underwear. I still don't see any negative reports in the looks department. They say they do outcalls but I doubt if that's the most popular thing to do. But there's no wrong to get the girls' name and particular numbers.

The disadvantage of apartment girls is that they are higher volume girls. But I think Internet girls are more or less the same. Many have their own incall apartments, many also works in apartments, and some work in clubs. The club girls are lower volume but I don't think by that much. They date outside after 4pm when they wake up. When they go to work at 11pm they could have done a few. Popular ones got taken out an hour at a time from 11, and some clubs open till 6am.

One more suggestion. If you want particular Internet girls very bad, it's best to ask Roxana to book in advance. Since these girls sell via many channels, it's usual that they are not available at the day, or skip your advance appointment. With Roxana you are more likely to see one of the several girls on your list that you want to see very much. Best to keep advance booking rolling than call around the same day.

[Exon123]

Lexton --- What an execllent report and Im in total aggreement. But I think it goes futher than that. Women are by nature more monogamous. This goes clear back to the caveman era in which women needed men to survive. And men demanded monogamy from women simply to know who was the father of the childern. Yes theres is and was a double standard in which men mess around and women don't, but thats not true either. For as we know women do play around. No what I really think it boils down to is Security, the one thing women truly want. If they catch us messing around their both hurt and jellious. But at the same time they know they have lost some control over their mate which breeds insecurity. ---- When Carolina caught me there were truly genuine tears in her eyes with hurt and disapointment. After all she'd given me the most presious thing she possessed her body in a romantic affair even though there was money involved there was emotion too. Lets face it, the very best sex is the GFE and to do that there must be some emotion. And if you keep banging them in a GFE setting theres going to be something more develop than just blowing your cookies off, this is human nature. Say you go to an apartment, Santa Fe 1707 as an example, their you just go in hand her the money and she gets you off, all the time knowing theres another guy in the lobby waiting for you to finish. This is certainlly different sex than romantic GFE sex in which theres emotion involved and the two of you have been going at it for a week or so. ---- Hey its not impossible to fall in love with one of thease girls and vice versa. Theres been many a monger who has married one and taken her home. --- So I guess my final comment goes back to Security, for thats what every woman wants in a man. And when they catch us Sport Fucking another Chica this blows that Security issue all to hell. For believe it or not thease girls are more than capable of falling in love with us too ---- Exon

[Lexton]

I have been meaning to post something on this issue of the women being jealous and ask for help, because I thought it was probably just me and the women thought I was a softy. After reading some of these posts, now I know why they keep doing it. They are having so much success.

Most of the women I have seen several times have tried to tell me, one way or another, that they don't want me to "cheat" on them with other women. I always tell them that "cheating" on them is a concept that cannot exist. One, since they are going to "cheat" on me by seeing other men at will, they have no right to ask me to be faithful to them. Two, they aren't giving me anything the other women don't give me. When the paid time expires, they leave at will. Three, faithfulness is not part of the deal. Any type of commitment I might give them is very valuable. Exclusivity is the most valuable of all. Obviously, they are going to try to get what they can. And it appears that you guys are generally helping make this tactic successful. I suspect the reason we allow them to exploit us with this is to help with the illusion of the GFE. We want them to give us something special and want to believe that they do. And they are going to try to make us feel that they do. I think they know that jealousy is GFE behavior, and that we seem to like it. Notice Exon's girl trying to reduce the service to something he wouldn't accept from someone else. To foster the illusion that she was giving him far more than the other women would.

I have gotten into arguments and scenes over this. Originally, I avoided seeing more than one woman in each bar to avoid this problem. But I think it really only helps me in making seeing her feel more like a GFE, and I am starting to think it may be counter-productive in it's effect on the women. In Hook, it became impossible, as I knew it eventually would. So now there are several women in Hook I have seen. But none of them are a real GFE any longer. And one I saw many times I had a fight with over this when I started seeing another woman out of Hook. I stopped seeing her much, because she played the jealousy game and really stopped trying to be a GFE. But she had really already started dropping the GFE she had shown at first. For a long time, I only took one woman from Shampoo. But she gradually became more mechanical and less GFE, I think because she wasn't worried about losing me.

I believe the women play this game purposely and deliberately. Women are masters at manipulating men, they start learning as babies and it is one of the biggest things in their lives. My current favorita, whom I was beginning to look on almost as a girl friend, was constantly talking about me seeing other women and asking about me going to bars and seeing other women. And pretending to be jealous. She once said, "If you want to see me one day and another woman the next, I am not going to come." But then one day I asked her some innocent question about having something to do when she wasn't seeing me. She suddenly had the nerve to say, "You cannot ask me about anything that I do when I am not with you". I got angry immediately, and she heard my voice get very hard as I simply said, "Then why do you ask me?". She replied, "Only for conversation, nothing more." That was a couple of weeks ago, and she has played the jealous game a little since, but with nothing like the intensity of before. Last week, I said we would not be able to see each other last Saturday, and refused to discuss why when she asked. I told her, "You do what you want when you want without considering me. You have family, friends, and other clients. For my own protection, I have to have a life of my own independent of you". Interestingly, I think she was more attentive this past week. This is going to get tested more after the New Year, because I am seeing her constantly now, but will begin to see her less, only about 3 days a week. But actually, because of her remark and other little things here and there, I am beginning to believe that she is simply a genius at manipulating me thru the GFE, and really doesn't care at all.

I spent 15 years as usually the only man in an aerobic dance group of women, 2 days/week. After some time, they generally ignored the fact that I was a man in their midst. I was appalled at how cold, calculating and unromantic these women were when they talked about boyfriends, husbands, men and relationships. They definitely dealt with men with a purpose. Because of this, I agree with Jackson's strategy and am starting to use it more myself. Simply call their bluff immediately and refuse to be manipulated. For bad service, tell them immediately you will reduce payment and/or stop seeing them.

The other thing I am beginning to remember is that the GFE experience with women is best in relatively new relationships while they are trying to get you to commit to something. And the best way to maintain it is to keep them concerned that they might lose you if they do not, and never commit. So let's get a little more backbone here, and stop making this jealousy tactic so successful. It has become a very bad habit for these women.

Many of you seem to be very successful at avoiding this by never seeing a woman more than once or twice. But is your GFE more than just a few DFK's?

Hi Lexton,

One other tactic for keeping things under control: After every session with a club girl, I tell them in a friendly manner that I like them, but that the next time I go to the club I am going to leave with another girl. This sends a clear signal that I'm not going to allow her to pretend that we're in love or that she has a "special" relationship with me, etc.

Jackson

[James D 2004]

Tips at Black. It was Sat night but the central stage area is rather crowed. I was alone with a girl in the couch near the entrance, which was pretty empty. When I looked up I found the good looking stripper dancing on my coffee table. We kept on talking. After a song or two that I have no idea, my girl reminded me to tip the stripper. I took out 5 peso, and she was happy to let me hang it on her G-string wire. She danced a while afterward. When we left, my girl told me to go to the toilet while she go to the toilet too. I didn't, as my hotel was very close. I didn't know why but my girl took a long time, considering that most Black's girls don't need to change clothes to go out, and my girl didn't. After waiting for a while I just as well go into the toilet rather than standing there doing nothing. That was a mistake. I found a young guy in black suit or tux manning the small plush toilet. He could be the most handsome and well dressed guy ever to serve at a toilet. When I'm done I saw three 5 peso notes on the silver tray. I think he's bluffing. Lucky that I had a 2 peso note and I dropped it down. He's still polite and thanked me. I think he left not long after me, and he went in when he knew that someone was leaving.

[Minimus]

Just wanted to give some details of the trip my buddy & I to BA at the end of Nov. Renting an apt. in Recoleta, we ran through about 35 chicas in 6 days between the two of us. Some highlights & lowlights:

Angeles (we both agreed) was everything everyone said on the net. Good experience for 100 pesos.

If you have a thing for mature women, Dani on platynum.com is a sexy woman in her 40’s with a body of a 19 y.o. excellent complete session for 150 pesos.

Bety on platynum is another hottie. She is in an apartment on Sarmiento (I think 1759) with a few other cuties. Don’t remember price, but I wish I had gone back to this place over & over.

Candela also gives a good session. For one hour of complete service, I paid 80 pesos.

Britsy gave me a nice time. I couldn’t be bothered with going all the way out to Flores so she came to me. I was a little disappointed when I first saw her, but she had a nicely toned body and didn’t disappoint. Good complete service. 100 pesos for hr.

Ma. Christina is an interesting woman, gave a hour & 15min session for 150 pesos. As reported earlier, speaks English pretty well, asked me what I wanted her to wear, offered me a dildo to suck (I passed, thinking that would be the same dildo another monger had in his mouth and who knows where else it had been!). Good sex, no complete service. Good conversation. Nice apartment.

One night after our nightly bife de lomo we ordered an in-call lesbian show from clarin. 4371-7383. Got two girls, one blonde & real cute looking, the other a brunette and not as cute. They put on a fake lesbian show, taking off each others clothes. But we each took one into our bedrooms, good session, complete service. One hour for $80 pesos for both + 10 pesos for cabfare.

My buddy is in love with from Alanis from bonnefemme.com, he paid 200 pesos and had what he called an awesome session.

I went to an apartment on Cordoba 1606 I found in clarin and paid 30 pesos for an hour of complete sex, paid extra 40 pesos for BBBJTCNQNS. Quality was not high at all, but not terrible. Sorry, I don’t have a number but I think the apartment was 3C.

Avoid Bianca/Balenttina on platynum. Nice looking on the site, and not bad in person, but had real messed up teeth. She came to our apartment for my buddy and I stuck around to meet her before going out myself, since I wanted to spend time with her later on. Gave my buddy a real rushed and uninspired session for 200 pesos. I passed on seeing her later.

I was not impressed with Milena on platynum. She has late hours and I invited her over to the apartment. She asked if I was alone and asked if my friend wanted company. Who was he to say no? Turns out that he made out better, sight unseen, than I did. Milena seemed to have a bit of an attitude. Lackluster session. Her friend was a tall enthusiastic brunette, who was fun. I didn’t catch her name. 1 hour, total cost for the both of them $260 pesos for complete service including taxi.

I would avoid Cielo (platynum massage) as a pure sexplay, might have been better for a massage. Sex definitely lackluster. She kept complaining about my size.

Sean EZ, I would not call for Lara on that site. This was the only time I got a bait & switch in BA and my worst experience there. This girl’s pictures are on different sites with different numbers. When I showed up at the apartment, I met a girl that did not meet the expectations I had. However, like a trooper I kept on. When we started having sex, I realized she was having her period. Talk about a downer.

All of the sessions I described above included BBBJ.

[Elvis]

Sean EZ,

I haven't used the site but I did check it out, and I'm assuming all the girls are real because I recognize a lot of them. Just check out gemidos, platynum or area-vip and you'll find them there. Or copy/paste numbers found on this website to compare..

[Sean EZ]

Has anyone used this site, or too good to be true? Damn some of them are hot.

http://www.906090modelos.com/mujeres.php

I am headed to BA next year, already bought tickets. Here's my plan with the escorts: call up a girl, print out her pics, meet her in the hotel lobby, if bait and switch tell her to leave. Is this the right strategy?

Thanks

[Rubiks Cube]

I was in Buenos Aires about a month ago for about three days. Needless to say I fell in love with the situation. During the trip I spent most of my time at Blacks (never disappointed) and made a visit to Madahos Solid Gold and Playwomen. I am planning another trip and am hoping to get some suggestions on what other clubs I should check out. I would also love it if anyone has a comprehensive map with the locations to all the clubs.

I don't have time to create a map, but then all the places you'd want to go to are easy to find.

I've compiled a list of 61 clubs and boliches in BA, including the address and nearest street corner, on my private website at:

www.ArgentinaPrivate.com

Ignore the notice that says you need a password to enter the site. Just select the link labeled "WSG Members Enter Here".

Jackson

[Stormy]

Whoops. Did not mean to imply that Silvina was available for commerce. She manages the apartment for Jackson and did a good job.

Stormy

[Amantelondres]

Review of restaurants as promised in my recent post in this section has now been posted in Restaurant section. Enjoy, and a Merry Christmas to you all

By the way, was I dreaming or did someone mention a website for more mature ladies?

[Stormy]

Regarding Jackson's apartment:

I rented Jackson's apartment in October and would highly recommend it if it fits your schedule. The location is excellent and the security guys are great. Silvina is Jackson's girlfriend and was managing the situation when he was gone. She was available and attentive to any issues. You should not count on doing any cooking in the stove, though, that is a storage place and is the only virgin in Recoleta.

Stormy

Well... just to be clear, Silvina is very helpful because that's her nature, but she is NOT interested in entertaining any offers of commerce.

Thanks,

Jackson

[MagicHat]

Exon

Must admit, that initially I thought you were slightly mad to give your chica 100 pesos instead of just the taxi fare. But you were completely correct....your explanation and reasoniong are spot on. Very sound judgement.

Magic Hat.

[ChicagoBoy23]

I agree with the immortal Joe Friday

"Just the facts gentlemen. Just the facts."

Lets not turn this into a grammar or spelling exercise.

"The facts" presented using generally accepted writing conventions are easier and faster to read, and thus more valuable than those presented in any number of childish aberrations.

Using standardized punctuation and capitalization is a requirement for posting on this website. This is intended to improve the quality and readability of the information presented in this permanent archive of travel reports.

Good grammer and correct spelling are desirable but not specifically required, largely because I don't have the time to police these issues.

I would sincerely appreciate it if this Forum's Senior Members would refrain from encouraging obviously aberrant writing styles.

Thanks,

Jackson