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12-07-10 23:42 #59
Posts: 1885While we are on the subject
Originally Posted by Argento [View Original Post]
Like I have said many times, there once was a day when problems like this deftly handled by people we have never heard of.
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12-07-10 21:43 #58
Posts: 1885You don't make sense
Originally Posted by Argento [View Original Post]
Being discussed. I do think this forum can handle plurality of views without the insistent rat-a tat tat of your views.
Another question, even though you haven't answered my question on what law has Assange broken.
But an adenda to that question. In what jurisdiction?
Since when did the laws of the USA mean that they apply anywhere else in the world to non-US citizens?
Never, ever going to happen.
For my own information, having followed your posts for the past few months,
how come you are so great at knowing the real meaning of what other people post or say?
Me, I take what is expressed as the intent of the statement.
My last word on this subject to you.
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12-06-10 23:02 #57
Posts: 227Originally Posted by Schmoj [View Original Post]
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12-06-10 21:00 #56
Posts: 302Know it All
Originally Posted by Argento [View Original Post]
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12-06-10 20:42 #55
Posts: 366Machine-gunner Wild Walleye.
Originally Posted by Wild Walleye [View Original Post]Originally Posted by Wild Walleye [View Original Post]
My last word on this subject to you.
Argento
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12-06-10 17:55 #54
Posts: 1885Originally Posted by Argento [View Original Post]
and Miami Bob thinks that I ought not to have an opinion and more than likely, because I am not a US citizen, I am a fifth columnist acting against America's interests. What a crock of shit.
The deceitfulness of US foreign policy for the past 30 years has underminded the esteem it was held in.
A bit of transparency and light may be the catalyst to shake up the State Department to realize that the world has moved on and the issues are no longer things to be kept secret from the masses.
Which of course is the whole purpose of WikiLeaks.
And for the record, I am on the side of the USA but that is not to say that at times I have to shake my head in disbelief at the cack-handed way they conduct foreign policy and go to physical war as a way to resolve political issues.
I am just so glad that my children haven't had to die in a ditch over some piece of rock and sand that some faceless prick nominated as a 'must take' and 'must hold'
Get used to it, the internet will increasingly make it impossible for governments to be 2 faced in their intergovernment dealings and the faceless pricks will be 'outed'.
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12-06-10 17:22 #53
Posts: 366So what law is he to be charged with breaking?
Lot of mud being stirred up here but related to completely different issues. So far Jackson thinks the releases are giving an advantage to America's enemies, Wild Walleye mixes everything from Nixon, Watergate et al and Miami Bob thinks that I ought not to have an opinion and more than likely, because I am not a US citizen, I am a fifth columnist acting against America's interests. What a crock of shit. The deceitfulness of US foreign policy for the past 30 years has underminded the esteem it was held in. A bit of transparency and light may be the catalyst to shake up the State Department to realize that the world has moved on and the issues are no longer things to be kept secret from the masses. Which of course is the whole purpose of WikiLeaks.
And for the record, I am on the side of the USA but that is not to say that at times I have to shake my head in disbelief at the cack-handed way they conduct foreign policy and go to physical war as a way to resolve political issues. I am just so glad that my children haven't had to die in a ditch over some piece of rock and sand that some faceless prick nominated as a 'must take' and 'must hold' Get used to it, the internet will increasingly make it impossible for governments to be 2 faced in their intergovernment dealings and the faceless pricks will be 'outed'.
Argento
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12-06-10 13:38 #52
Posts: 1885See, I knew you had a better grasp on this
Originally Posted by BadMan [View Original Post]
Assange didn't steal any documents. Private Manning copied documents that he was cleared to view and handed them off to Assange.
As far as the real world, let's get a couple of things straight.
No one has said that Assange actually stole the documents. The fact that he personally didn't perpetrate the theft does not absolve him from complicity or guilt. If this were the case, Nixon would not have needed to resign (sticking with the Nixon reference).
The fact that Manning had access to the documents does not mean that he was cleared to view them. In fact, the case against Manning probably should include more than 250, 000 counts of illegally accessing files. Nine Ohio state workers were nailed for illegally accessing Obama's files and three US State Department workers / contractors wound up in deep shit for accessing files regarding the passport records of McCain, Clinton and Obama, during the last presidential election cycle. All of the aforementioned individuals had legal access to the systems, all broke the law when they accessed files not specifically germane to their tasks.
Knowing receipt of and benefit from the distribution of stolen property is a crime in some places, including the US. Otherwise, fencing stolen goods would be legal.
You don't have to physically be present in the US (or other nations) to run afoul of US law.
Assange is not a US citizen. All that means is that he is not entitled to Constitutional protections. That does not mean that he is free to act with impunity as it relates to US public and private interests.
Adding and abetting a crime is still against the law.
However, in my opinion, the 'insurance file' is the slam dunk on putting Assange in jail.
He has already admitted to knowingly accepted a stolen hard drive from Bank of America and that he intends to us private proprietary information contained within the stolen material, as well as stolen information from BP and other companies, for purposes of extortion. Extortion is illegal in the US and the UK.
Additionally, he has made it known that the 'insurance file' includes non-redacted military and intelligence information. If the material outs any US undercover agents or assets, he will be guilty of violating the Foreign Intelligence and Identities Act.
I am willing to bet that those of you who think Manning and Assange are heroes probably thought Scooter LIbby should have received the death penalty for 'outing' Valarie Plame (he did nothing of the sort).
Again, I miss the days of olde (pre-Church Commission) when we as a nation had the sack to remediate problems like this before they metastasized into major issues.Last edited by Wild Walleye; 12-06-10 at 13:53. Reason: typo
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12-06-10 01:56 #51
Posts: 1657Originally Posted by Jackson [View Original Post]
If Assange is guilty of a crime then so is The New York Times et al.
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12-06-10 01:53 #50
Posts: 1064Many people posting are not citizen of the USA
From some of the comments, they may be rooting against the USA.
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12-06-10 01:27 #49
Posts: 2556
Venues: 398For those of you who think that Private Manning and Julian Assange are heros, consider this analogy:
Some American citizens don't like their government. Okay, I get it. Fine. So criticize the coach, chastise the players, berate the management, advocate for a change in personnel, cancel your season tickets, stop attending the games, don't buy the merchandise, etc., etc., etc. But whatever you do, don't pretend to assuage your displeasure with their performance by giving their playbook to all the other teams, because all that does is hurt our team's chances of winning the game.
Unless, of course, you're actually rooting for the other team.
Get it?
Thanks,
Jackson
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12-06-10 01:22 #48
Posts: 14Originally Posted by Nugget [View Original Post]
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12-06-10 01:15 #47
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Venues: 398Originally Posted by Argento [View Original Post]
How about Theft of classified US Government documents, for starters.
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12-05-10 22:47 #46
Posts: 366Originally Posted by Nugget [View Original Post]
Argento
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12-05-10 16:00 #45
Posts: 12Assange just became an even bigger asshat by releasing over 250,000 documents, unredacted and saying that if anyone takes his website offline he will release the code to open them. What a fucking narcissistic pole.