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  1. #355
    Even if he did what she said he did, in 1982 in Chevy Chase, MD, the cops would have laughed them out of the police department. However, while she may very well have been assaulted that summer, I sincerely doubt that it was Kavanaugh doing the assaulting.

    Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable. In 70% of the "DNA cases" (The Innocence Project, et al) that have been overturned in the USA (on DNA evidence), there were eye witnesses swearing that the wrongly-convicted person was the perpetrator. I don't doubt that she was assaulted, but in the ensuing 30+ years, she either unintentionally, or intentionally, misidentified her attacker to be Kavanaugh.

    Interestingly, I am about the same age as both of them. I have friends that were at school with them. That area (NW DC out to Potomac, MD) was home to some serious partying and the fastest and loosest high school girls in the USA. Many of my friends in the area were in rehab, before graduating high school. When I was a junior in HS, my dad (total straight shooter, never cheated on my mom in nearly 60 years) sat me down to talk about women. Not about fucking them or the birds and the bees, but protecting oneself from women, not with rubbers, but from being wrongfully accused of sexual misdeeds or getting trapped into a relationship by some psycho chick. He was a doctor and he never, ever saw female patients without a staff member in the room. This was the 1980s, nobody was thinking like that, but he was. He told me that whenever possible, avoid "He said, she said" situations (I didn't point out that is extremely difficult when you are trying to get laid). There are countless doctors who have been extorted out of lots of money by female patients who say "I don't know what happened, but when I woke up my blouse was askew and my vajayjay hurt."

    When things get political, all sense of reason and propriety gets tossed out of the window. It is the most important time to remember a few very important facts, we are a society of which some of the fundamental tenets are the presumption of innocence and the right to due process. It is a Constitutional right to confront one's accusers and witnesses against him/her. In this case, there is no crime, there is one witness (Ford) who says the crime happened and four witnesses who absolutely refute that. There is no evidence, there are no facts (no location, no time the crime occurred, no contemporaneous facts that could help place things). Whether or not one wants Kavanaugh on the SCOTUS, I think that we can all agree that he has been unfairly smeared by claims that cannot be substantiated and therefore never should have been made public.

    I am not saying that Dr. Ford was not assaulted. I am saying that there is nothing about her claims that can be substantiated and therefore they are just gossip and rumors. Gossip and rumors should not ruin a man or woman's life.

  2. #354
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    I did not mention immaturity, the problem is that passage of time is unfair to someone's defense. More importantly, it's unfair that men's lives can be ruined by women's allegations when women are not required to present any evidence.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tres3  [View Original Post]
    Immaturity--It seems to me that many pundits and other commentators have made the immaturity argument for BOTH sides. I know that I did some very stupid things when I was young, and even stupider things when I was young and drunk. HOWEVER, I never aspired to be a Supreme Court justice. I think that the more disqualifying factor is that Kavenaugh has NO trial experience. The lack of trial experience should have been a disqualifying factor when he was nominated to a lower court. If it had been, we could have avoided this circus and divisiveness altogether.

    My dos centavos worth.
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  3. #353
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    Immatrity

    Quote Originally Posted by JimBob  [View Original Post]
    The truly frightening thing here is not that some stupid young woman is going to drink herself in to a stupor far away from home in a stranger's house and then get "assaulted". Even if true, it's basically her own stupidity, she could have avoided the entire situation by not disobeying her parents and going to a party in some guy's house with no chaperone, not drinking underage or going to a party with alcohol, not driving somewhere without a license, putting herself in a position where she is disobeying her parents and the law. No, I think the far more scary thing is a man can have his entire career and his family life and his hobbies etc destroyed by one woman who simply doesn't like him and made up a story. Even if she is a woman who doesn't like him and telling a true story from 30 years ago which she kept quiet until she decided she didn't like him, it simply isn't fair. How can he, or you, or I, avoid this situation? Spend an entire life making sure irrational, emotional, treacherous women are always 100% happy with everything we do or say? This is the real concern on my mind, not the regrets of a foolish woman. I am far more concerned about my own freedom to live life without fear some stupid woman could make up a fake story and ruin my life with no evidence.
    Immaturity--It seems to me that many pundits and other commentators have made the immaturity argument for BOTH sides. I know that I did some very stupid things when I was young, and even stupider things when I was young and drunk. HOWEVER, I never aspired to be a Supreme Court justice. I think that the more disqualifying factor is that Kavenaugh has NO trial experience. The lack of trial experience should have been a disqualifying factor when he was nominated to a lower court. If it had been, we could have avoided this circus and divisiveness altogether.

    My dos centavos worth.

  4. #352
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    #metoo extreme danger to men everywhere

    The truly frightening thing here is not that some stupid young woman is going to drink herself in to a stupor far away from home in a stranger's house and then get "assaulted". Even if true, it's basically her own stupidity, she could have avoided the entire situation by not disobeying her parents and going to a party in some guy's house with no chaperone, not drinking underage or going to a party with alcohol, not driving somewhere without a license, putting herself in a position where she is disobeying her parents and the law. No, I think the far more scary thing is a man can have his entire career and his family life and his hobbies etc destroyed by one woman who simply doesn't like him and made up a story. Even if she is a woman who doesn't like him and telling a true story from 30 years ago which she kept quiet until she decided she didn't like him, it simply isn't fair. How can he, or you, or I, avoid this situation? Spend an entire life making sure irrational, emotional, treacherous women are always 100% happy with everything we do or say? This is the real concern on my mind, not the regrets of a foolish woman. I am far more concerned about my own freedom to live life without fear some stupid woman could make up a fake story and ruin my life with no evidence.

  5. #351
    Quote Originally Posted by WorldTravel69  [View Original Post]
    Your President's girlfriend..

    https://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=stormy+daniels.
    Wait, we're making moralistic judgements about guys banging chicks?

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    Edited

    Quote Originally Posted by WildWalleye  [View Original Post]
    We're paying for the protection of Obama's kids, multiple Bush descendants and so forth. Why should Trump's kids be treated differently? There is so much irrational hatred towards Trump and his family, I believe that they need protection more than the rest...
    I inserted the word you left out, irrational.

    Don B.

  8. #348
    Quote Originally Posted by WorldTravel69  [View Original Post]
    Your President's girlfriend..

    https://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=stormy+daniels.
    A little porn star action now and then makes a person more rounded.

  9. #347

    Trump's Girlfriend

    Your President's girlfriend..

    https://www.pornhub.com/video/search?search=stormy+daniels.

  10. #346
    Quote Originally Posted by WorldTravel69  [View Original Post]
    We are paying for Don Junior's trip and Security for him to make family money.

    http://www.sfexaminer.com/sf-ethics-...rs-india-trip/

    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/2/21/...ct-of-interest
    We're paying for the protection of Obama's kids, multiple Bush descendants and so forth. Why should Trump's kids be treated differently? There is so much hatred towards Trump and his family, I believe that they need protection more than the rest...

  11. #345
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    Second the Motion

    Quote Originally Posted by DonB  [View Original Post]
    Don B's Law (formulated many years ago) states that virtually everything the government does is either unconstitutional, immoral or just plain stupid.

    An example:

    https://fee.org/articles/ethanol-is-...ps-backing-it/

    Don B.
    I strongly second the foregoing motion. The article doesn't mention the reduced profits, and sometimes losses, that companies forced by law to purchase ethanol credits often face. Otherwise profitable companies are penalized for prudent planning. Ethanol is a bad deal.

    Tres3.

  12. #344
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    Don B's Law

    Don B's Law (formulated many years ago) states that virtually everything the government does is either unconstitutional, immoral or just plain stupid.

    An example:

    https://fee.org/articles/ethanol-is-...ps-backing-it/

    Don B.

  13. #343
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    Wizard of Oz

    Trump reminds me of the scarecrow from "Wizard of Oz" when he told Dorthy, "Some people without brains do a lot of talking".

    Tres3.

  14. #342

    It is Your Money

    We are paying for Don Junior's trip and Security for him to make family money.

    http://www.sfexaminer.com/sf-ethics-...rs-india-trip/

    https://www.vox.com/world/2018/2/21/...ct-of-interest

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