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  1. #220

    Great TrumpCare Health Bill

    It made it through Congress.

    Trump did not read the Bill, he has his people read it to him, in the way he wanted to hear it, with the Crowds cheering in the background, just like on TV.

    The problem is that almost 90% of the Congressmen or Women that voted do not know what they voted for.

    They had their Interns read the bill. So, they only understood only bits and pieces on what they voted for.

    They pushed it onto the Senate, hoping they would know what to do, Because they had no idea what they voted for.

    So, all the Medical groups, aka Hospitals and Medical associations said No.

    But the insurance companies are Happy with Their Bonus.

    Especially the 1% taxes payers. The got a great big tax break.

    And we will have to make up the different in the medical costs so they can enjoy it.

    So, for the rest of us, like you and Me that do not make over $100,000.000.00 a year, you will have to sell your house to pay for your Hospital bills for you and your Family. And Maybe your Mom and Dad and or maybe your Grandparents.

    The only way to have Universal Health like the other 11 or so countries in the world with "Health Care For All" is that we have is too get rid of the Insurance Companies.

    The ones with the Great Big Buildings that just collect YOUR money and have nothing to do with your Health Care.

    Please think about that.

    Please.

  2. #219
    Quote Originally Posted by Myolta  [View Original Post]
    He didn't have to. He referred to what Andrew Jackson was angry about with regard to the building conflict between the north and the south. And that, according to historians and Jackson himself, was the Nullification Crisis; an important part of South Carolina, Southern and U.S. history.
    He didn't refer to squat. He just bloviated vaguely. The transcript speaks for itself.

  3. #218

    Really

    It started in 1861 as I said.

    How old are you 14.

    http://www.history.com/topics/americ...il-war-history

    Quote Originally Posted by Myolta  [View Original Post]
    The Civil War was in 1861? Really? Your command of "facts" is even worse than that for which you criticize Trump.

    When did the U.S. Civil War start? When South Carolina seceded? When the CSA was formed or when it seceded? When Fort Sumter was attacked? When Lincoln declared war? When the first Union Army soldier stepped into Virginian territory? When the first shot was fired at the Battle of First Manassas? When did the Civil War end? On April 9th 1865? (not 1861). Or did it end after the 1964 Civil Rights Act? To the military wing of the Democratic Party, the Ku Klux Klan, the war never ended.

    No rational person considers a conflict of the magnitude of the Civil War without the prologue and epilogue. Your hatred of Trump aside, try putting things into context, as Trump did concerning the matter at hand. Towards that end, you might find Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" helpful.

  4. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by WorldTravel69  [View Original Post]
    Was between North and South Carolina in 1832. The Civil War was 1861. Almost 30 years.

    The same time period today would have encompassed War World II, Korean, and Vietnam Wars.

    I guess not much happened in the South then, except the using of the whip.
    I know they were busy in others wars. The Indians wars was one of the longest. 1776 to 1924.
    And these few others:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli..._States_at_war

    The think the Ordinance line was thrown in by FOX to muddy of up what Trump said. The real originators of Fake News.
    The Civil War was in 1861? Really? Your command of "facts" is even worse than that for which you criticize Trump.

    When did the U.S. Civil War start? When South Carolina seceded? When the CSA was formed or when it seceded? When Fort Sumter was attacked? When Lincoln declared war? When the first Union Army soldier stepped into Virginian territory? When the first shot was fired at the Battle of First Manassas? When did the Civil War end? On April 9th 1865? (not 1861). Or did it end after the 1964 Civil Rights Act? To the military wing of the Democratic Party, the Ku Klux Klan, the war never ended.

    No rational person considers a conflict of the magnitude of the Civil War without the prologue and epilogue. Your hatred of Trump aside, try putting things into context, as Trump did concerning the matter at hand. Towards that end, you might find Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" helpful.

  5. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by Dickhead  [View Original Post]
    Huh. I read the transcript and Trump did not mention the Ordinance of Nullification at all.
    He didn't have to. He referred to what Andrew Jackson was angry about with regard to the building conflict between the north and the south. And that, according to historians and Jackson himself, was the Nullification Crisis; an important part of South Carolina, Southern and U.S. history.

  6. #215

    The Repubicans do not want what Trump wants

    This is why:
    http://www.argentinaprivate.com/forum/showthread.php?9048-American-Politics-during-the-Trump-Presidency

    You Pick:

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/331558-trump-spending-bill-a-clear-win

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/us/politics/congress-spending-bill-wall-trump.html?_r=0

    Shut down your Health Care, Until the pour rich spoil child gets what he wants!

  7. #214

    Tax

    I'm still waiting for Trump to show his income tax returns. He seems to have a problem with that. I guess he's hideing something. Like not having paid taxes for the last 20 years or more. I know, he's writing off all his losses on failed businesses; like casinos, golf courses and country clubs. Businesses that he used taxpayer money or other peoples money to finance.

    Its the middle class / working class people who are the ones paying the taxes in the US.

  8. #213
    Oh, and by the way, I hate to tell all those who are so enthralled with Trump's idea of cutting the corporate tax rate, but the corporate tax is completely irrelevant. That tax falls on either shareholders or consumers, or both to some extent. The relevant concept there is the incidence of a tax. So all taxes and tariffs reduce economic activity, always and everywhere. Who bears that burden depends on the basic concepts of elasticity of supply and demand. Tax a necessity and it will fall on the consumer, tax a luxury and it will fall on the producer. That's elasticity of demand. Elasticity of demand tends to be higher in the short run because you have to eat. Elasticity of supply depends on how quickly more of the good can be brought to market. That's more of a long-term concept. We see this with oil. If market prices go up, more oil can be supplied, but not necessarily tomorrow. That's one reason buffer stocks of commodities exist, so that more product can be brought to market immediately when prices are favorable to the producers. But buffers stocks have storage costs, so the more costly the good is to store and insure, the less buffer stock will be held. Perishable goods imply low buffer stocks, and thus price volatility. We see this with fresh fruits and vegetables, cut flowers, etc.

    So, one may ask, what about pussy? First of all, it's important to realize the unique nature of pussy. As one of my sociology professors noted, 'pussy is the only thing where you can sell it but you still have it.' The implications are quite profound. Demand for pussy is stable in the long run, but fluctuates in the short run: it increases at closing time, for example. Supply of pussy is virtually infinite but quite elastic: every woman has her price but for those who pretend they don't sell it, the bid price must be very high in terms of long-run economic security, an upper class lifestyle, blah blah blah. See, for example, Melania Trump, or Ivanka Trump.

    This is why we as mongers often face 'cartelization,' where chicas at for example Hook refuse, or pretend to refuse, to go for less than some alleged minimum price. But, just as with OPEC, there will always be those who cheat the cartel by going for less, if properly and discreetly approached. Cartelization or price fixing is supposed to be illegal in the US under the Sherman Act and other related legislation, but the current plutocracy has allowed so much industry concentration that the whole economy is one big oligopolized cartel, with prices being rigged in favor of corporations and against the workers.

  9. #212
    Well, there was that one little incident between 1832 and 1861 where we stole half of México. Plus the Black Hawk War was in 1832 so there were 3 wars during a thirty year period back then as well. Maybe you were sick that day of class.

    I bet Donald J. Trump couldn't spell either 'ordinance' or 'nullification,' and would bet the ranch he had never heard of the Ordinance of Nullification when he said all that nonsense about Andrew Jackson. But tariffs are stupid so that is one thing Andrew Jackson and Trump have in common, supporting stupid tariffs.

    For those who aren't convinced that tariffs are stupid, the relevant economic concept is 'deadweight loss.' Neither party benefits, and retaliation always takes place. This goes all the way back to Adam Smith, so Andrew Jackson has no excuse. Donald Trump probably thinks Adam Smith was a golf pro at one of his courses in Scotland.

    Here's the math for any of you who can hack it. I learned it from Dale Lehman of the notorious Lehman Brothers, and from Wen Hai, a fairly famous Chinese economist.

    http://catalog.flatworldknowledge.com/bookhub/13?e=mcafee-ch05_s03

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  11. #211

    Ordinance of Nullification

    Was between North and South Carolina in 1832. The Civil War was 1861. Almost 30 years.

    The same time period today would have encompassed War World II, Korean, and Vietnam Wars.

    I guess not much happened in the South then, except the using of the whip.
    I know they were busy in others wars. The Indians wars was one of the longest. 1776 to 1924.
    And these few others:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeli..._States_at_war

    The think the Ordinance line was thrown in by FOX to muddy of up what Trump said. The real originators of Fake News.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickhead  [View Original Post]
    Huh. I read the transcript and Trump did not mention the Ordinance of Nullification at all.

  12. #210
    Huh. I read the transcript and Trump did not mention the Ordinance of Nullification at all.

  13. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by WorldTravel69  [View Original Post]
    Or Is that what Fox said?

    "This is what he said President Trump made a puzzling claim about Andrew Jackson and the Civil War in an interview.

    Speaking to the Washington Examiner, Trump wondered why issues that triggered the war could not have been worked out in order to prevent the bloody conflict. Trump praised the accomplishments of Jackson, the populist president he has cited as a role model.

    He made the puzzling claim that Jackson was really angry that he saw what was happening in regard to the Civil War. But Jackson died in 1845, and the Civil War didn't begin until 16 years later, in 1861.

    Trump then said, People don't ask the question, but why was there the Civil War?.

    I wonder why? I guess he skipped history in class.
    Again, Trump correctly referred to the Ordinance of Nullification. Again, the seeds of the Civil War were sown over a rather extended period of time before the watershed event of April 12th 1861 at Fort Sumter, SC.

    It's really not that difficult. Maybe you skipped history class. After skipping reading comprehension class. Again, fake news on your part.

  14. #208

    You did Not finish what he said

    Or Is that what Fox said?

    "This is what he said President Trump made a puzzling claim about Andrew Jackson and the Civil War in an interview.

    Speaking to the Washington Examiner, Trump wondered why issues that triggered the war could not have been worked out in order to prevent the bloody conflict. Trump praised the accomplishments of Jackson, the populist president he has cited as a role model.

    He made the puzzling claim that Jackson was really angry that he saw what was happening in regard to the Civil War. But Jackson died in 1845, and the Civil War didn't begin until 16 years later, in 1861.

    Trump then said, People don't ask the question, but why was there the Civil War?.

    I wonder why? I guess he skipped history in class.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xanadu  [View Original Post]
    Besides the fake Carla and Pia photos, we get fake news from worldtravel69. This is what Trump actually said regarding his opinion that Andrew Jackson could have prevented the U.S. Civil War: "I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later you wouldn't have had the Civil War.'' Continuing, Trump said: "He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War." Trump's reference was correct as Andrew Jackson was really angry about the Nullification Crisis which occurred during his lifetime and which was a seminal event of the ensuing Civil War; the seeds of which were sown long before April 12th, 1861.

  15. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by WorldTravel69  [View Original Post]
    You will not here it on FOX.

    He compares himself with Andrew Jackson.

    He said that Andrew Jackson could have put a stop to the Civil War.

    He said that Jackson did not like the way the War was going.

    The problem is that he died 16 years before the War.

    And he also owned over 200 slaves.
    Besides the fake Carla and Pia photos, we get fake news from worldtravel69. This is what Trump actually said regarding his opinion that Andrew Jackson could have prevented the U.S. Civil War: "I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later you wouldn't have had the Civil War.'' Continuing, Trump said: "He was really angry that he saw what was happening with regard to the Civil War." Trump's reference was correct as Andrew Jackson was really angry about the Nullification Crisis which occurred during his lifetime and which was a seminal event of the ensuing Civil War; the seeds of which were sown long before April 12th, 1861.

  16. #206

    Trump says

    You will not here it on FOX.

    He compares himself with Andrew Jackson.

    He said that Andrew Jackson could have put a stop to the Civil War.

    He said that Jackson did not like the way the War was going.

    The problem is that he died 16 years before the War.

    And he also owned over 200 slaves.

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