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  1. #175
    Here's someone who should be shot:

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/rac...xyo?li=BBnbfcL

    Went to an historically black university and sued for being discriminated against for being white. Then decided she was black and got a job at a public university based on being black. Probably would be categorized as having "borderline personality disorder", based on modern theory. I had a roommate a long time ago who was a dumb ass redneck, and I think he had a more appropriate category, which he called "MFC." The last letter stands for "crazy" and I will let the readers figure out what the first two stand for.

  2. #174
    How come the European countries with the most elements of socialism in their mixed economies consistently rate as the happiest countries in the world? Denmark, Finland, and Sweden are the ones that are always at the top of the happiness scores. Been to all of those countries and they sure seem happy to me, or at least very content. And that's even given the shitty weather.

    I agree some people are lazy, stupid, worthless, etc. My prof for intro econ, same guy for micro and macro, big time Republican conservative, called them "4 percenters," and said that this was why the unemployment rate would never get below 4% for any length of time. I took intermediate micro from a member of the Lehman family, who was left of center, and he claimed that a combination of socialism and free trade produced the best results, although that's more of a macro topic. That was the hardest fucking class I ever took at any level, and one thing he did prove to my satisfaction is that tariffs are always wrong due to the "deadweight loss." Took me a couple of weeks to understand the math he put up on that one but when I finally did, I was convinced. Had another prof, Dr. Wen Hai from China, who guest lectured in my graduate level managerial economics class, who proved the same thing with some simpler math that used some calculus. I think Trump knows all this too, and is just pandering to the ignorant with all his talk of tariffs.

    So then the question becomes, what do you do with the 4%? Shoot them? Feed them but don't house them such that they are begging on the street? Sterilize them? I tell you what: I would be okay with basing the 4%ers' eligibility for welfare on getting Norplants. That would not bother me a bit. But that only works for females given current technology. Vasectomies are a bit permanent and that shit they make sex offenders take to blunt their sex drives seems a bit extreme. Depo Provera, I think it's called. But if you give all the female welfare recipients Norplant, then you only have to deal with males knocking up women who are not on welfare and can presumably support them. Given women's tendency to hook up with losers for reasons I've never understood, that's probably happening already and I don't see why it would increase.

    Maybe instead of giving the 4%er men Depo Provera, we could just make them wear vests in public saying, "I am a lazy, useless fuck and thanks for feeding me!".

  3. #173

    Tump

    It's really interesting that everything that President Trump said was going to happen or is going to happen or is happening eventually Happens.

    Absolutely everything from the smallest and seemingly insignificant pieces of information to the most significant prophecies eventually occur exactly like he said they would no matter how absurd they may have sounded at the time.

    And this started a long time before he won the election.

    The so called half truths and rants and boasts eventually happen.

    Dumb like a Fox ?

    Smart enough to win.

    Wait and see.

    TL.

  4. #172

    Democrat / Liberal / Progressive

    Quote Originally Posted by DaddyRulz  [View Original Post]
    Not what he said.

    What he said:

    That has nothing to do with raising the Federal minimum wage.

    You are aware that there are a lot of liberals that are smarter than you are right? You use the world liberal like some people use retard. There are also a lot of conservatives that are smarter than I am. The point is that when all of your ideas come from one side of the pool you can never have a fully developed thought.
    Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome. By that yard stick if the shoe fits wear it. The far far right and left are pretty close to being clinically insane. But the run of the mill Democrat / Liberal / Progressive are trying the same old socialist solutions which totally ignore human nature with the same result over and over again.

    Look at the great liberal "successes" welfare, food stamps, Medicaid which were designed according to LBJ to give the poor a leg up and elimate poverty in a generation. That was in the mid 1960's and 55 years later we have more on those programs than ever before.

    There is plenty of stupid to go around on both the left and right. It's the same old story of the ant and the grasshopper - guess you guys are the grasshopper since you always want someone else to foot the bill.

  5. #171

    Point of information

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelganger  [View Original Post]
    First it is the Democrat/Liberal/Progressives who what to raise the minimum wage not Republicans.
    Not what he said.

    What he said:

    Quote Originally Posted by RockHarders  [View Original Post]
    Interestingly enough, it is TRUMP (not liberals as you claim) who wants to deport all illegal immigrants and focus on economic nationalism as a way of improving the lot of American workers.
    That has nothing to do with raising the Federal minimum wage.

    You are aware that there are a lot of liberals that are smarter than you are right? You use the world liberal like some people use retard. There are also a lot of conservatives that are smarter than I am. The point is that when all of your ideas come from one side of the pool you can never have a fully developed thought.

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  7. #170

    Plese keep on tract

    Quote Originally Posted by RockHarders  [View Original Post]
    Interestingly enough, it is TRUMP (not liberals as you claim) who wants to deport all illegal immigrants and focus on economic nationalism as a way of improving the lot of American workers. As Dickhead correctly states if millions of low skilled ILLEGAL immigrants are removed from the labor supply the wages for the jobs they were ILLEGALLY employed in would be forced upward to the equilibrium point in which American workers would take those jobs. Yes, this in theory has the potential to stimulate some inflation and/or reduce corporate profit margins; as is there is massive asset inflation with no corresponding wage growth so a different approach is certainly warranted.
    First it is the Democrat/Liberal/Progressives who what to raise the minimum wage not Republicans.

    Yes it is Trump who wants to deport the illegals drying up the "cheap labor" market - by the way the illegals with skills are in many cases being paid a the normal rate because they will come to work.

    Now let's take Clinton's modest work requirement for participation in the social safety net which discharged hundreds of thousands from the federal plantation of welfare and expand it so only the truly needy are assisted then perhaps the LAZY will decide its better to work than starve.

    You are going to have to accept the fact many people are just plan lazy, stupid, and simply will not work. You could give them a million dollars and come back a year later and they be right back where they were to start with. Read some of the stories of those who won the lottery millions of dollars and they are right back to squire one and some times worse off.

  8. #169

    AG Info

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldTravel69  [View Original Post]
    Yes, you are right.

    But no President has fired them all at once, with no replacements ready to step in.
    Since they serve at the pleasure of the president and all 90 something of them get the pink slip when the White House changes hands. I did not check to see who holds the record fo firing how many at once but it really does not matter as the AG (Sessions in this case) immediately appoints place holders from ranks of the career AG's so the wheels of justice don't grand to a halt. Probably moves more smoothly with the political appointees out of the picture.

    Here is a link regarding the good the bad and the ugly from froth parties regarding replacements of AGs.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dismis...ys_controversy

  9. #168

    Good show

    Quote Originally Posted by RockHarders  [View Original Post]
    Interestingly enough, it is TRUMP (not liberals as you claim) who wants to deport all illegal immigrants and focus on economic nationalism as a way of improving the lot of American workers. As Dickhead correctly states if millions of low skilled ILLEGAL immigrants are removed from the labor supply the wages for the jobs they were ILLEGALLY employed in would be forced upward to the equilibrium point in which American workers would take those jobs. Yes, this in theory has the potential to stimulate some inflation and/or reduce corporate profit margins; as is there is massive asset inflation with no corresponding wage growth so a different approach is certainly warranted.
    Katya Adler did a special for the BBC (sorry, can't remember the name) about what's happening in Europe after Brexit and she interviewed Marine le Pen (I think I have the name right) and she kept referring to le Pen as a conservative and le Pen finally said words to the effect that those who continue to describe this as a liberal/conservative fight are on the wrong page. It has moved on past liberal/conservative and what it is now is Nationalism v Globalism. She identifies that as why Brexit happened and why Trump won.

    I don't keep up with this stuff as much as most of you guys do but hearing that struck me as ringing true. I think that's what people have been fearing more and more over the last 20 years. Used to be a person could get and keep a gig, raise a family, do all that dad stuff and unless something catastrophic happened you could be stuck in that fucking rut (shudder) that some, hell maybe a lot, of people take comfort in. Now that's not the case and navigating a 50 year life from College to the casket is a lot trickier. That may or may not be true in fact but I think that is the core of the voter rebellion over the last 2 years. It's also the thing that the DNC has to get a handle on if they ever want to get out of the wilderness.

  10. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelganger  [View Original Post]
    Thanks for the econ 101 lesson, but liberals always forget the other half of the equation. As wages rise so does the cost of the products being produced, resulting in increases in price, which puts the people you are trying to help by raising the minimum wage right back where they started.

    But then liberals never understood economics anyway.
    Interestingly enough, it is TRUMP (not liberals as you claim) who wants to deport all illegal immigrants and focus on economic nationalism as a way of improving the lot of American workers. As Dickhead correctly states if millions of low skilled ILLEGAL immigrants are removed from the labor supply the wages for the jobs they were ILLEGALLY employed in would be forced upward to the equilibrium point in which American workers would take those jobs. Yes, this in theory has the potential to stimulate some inflation and/or reduce corporate profit margins; as is there is massive asset inflation with no corresponding wage growth so a different approach is certainly warranted.

  11. #166

    Fired

    Yes, you are right.

    But no President has fired them all at once, with no replacements ready to step in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelganger  [View Original Post]
    WT, your quoting the Gray Lady - New York Times. Hey weren't they the ones who broke the story of Trump Tower being "wiretapped" the suddenly forgot about it?

    When the party holding the White House changes they all get the ax. Obama did it after George, George the younger did it after Clinton, Reagan did it after Carter. It is the nature of things - to the victors go the spoils. The Russians? Please don't tok before you post - wait until you finish. Yep the Russians are part of the great Right Wing Conspiracy.

  12. #165

    Oh my god

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelganger  [View Original Post]
    The Russians? Please don't tok before you post - wait until you finish. Yep the Russians are part of the great Right Wing Conspiracy.
    The director of the FBI smokes weed? I never knew.

    I still think that 45 is going to give way to 46 and that religious whackadoodle will be far worse, I for one am not happy with the impending switch of NCA.

  13. #164

    Thank you for the econ 101 lesson

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickhead  [View Original Post]
    I would suggest that "most Americans" are only unwilling to certain types of work because the wages are ridiculously low. $7.25 an hour as a federal minimum wage is just plain unrealistic. Some states have raised the minimum wage, but others, including my own, have not. So the answer is higher wages, not immigration. Increasing the supply of available workers only depresses the price of labor, and workers are very, very far from receiving the marginal value they add to the product, as can be seen by the ever-increasing ratio of CEO to worker wages and the ever-increasing disparity of income and wealth. Always and everywhere, supply and demand dictate. If the supply of labor is held constant or at a natural level of increase, wages will rise until demand is met. Period, end of story. And yes, this will be reflected in increased prices for some goods and services, but higher wages stimulate the economy because the working classes spend their money, while the rentier class hoards its money, which decreases the velocity of money and is economically stagnating.
    Thanks for the econ 101 lesson, but liberals always forget the other half of the equation. As wages rise so does the cost of the products being produced, resulting in increases in price, which puts the people you are trying to help by raising the minimum wage right back where they started.

    But then liberals never understood economics anyway.

  14. #163

    Come on WT

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldTravel69  [View Original Post]
    Check all the last 20 President's?

    Who has fired the most the United Sates Attorney Generals at one time and why?

    Russians wanted that. Big cover up.

    I read this on Twitter.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/u...rump.html?_r=0
    WT, your quoting the Gray Lady - New York Times. Hey weren't they the ones who broke the story of Trump Tower being "wiretapped" the suddenly forgot about it?

    When the party holding the White House changes they all get the ax. Obama did it after George, George the younger did it after Clinton, Reagan did it after Carter. It is the nature of things - to the victors go the spoils. The Russians? Please don't tok before you post - wait until you finish. Yep the Russians are part of the great Right Wing Conspiracy.

  15. #162
    Quote Originally Posted by Tres3  [View Original Post]
    In all of the debate over immigration, an important fact has been, and continues to be, ignored. The USA needs immigrant workers, documented or undocumented, to do the work that most Americans will not do. This has been true for over 200 years, and will be true for the foreseeable future. When the politicians find a politically acceptable solution to this stark, historical reality, we can put the immigration debate behind us. This is easier said than done, but the fact remains that If there was no opportunity to find remunerative work in the USA, alien immigration would slow to a manageable level, and we would not need an expensive wall. The demagogues could find something else to rant about.Tres3.
    I would suggest that "most Americans" are only unwilling to certain types of work because the wages are ridiculously low. $7.25 an hour as a federal minimum wage is just plain unrealistic. Some states have raised the minimum wage, but others, including my own, have not. So the answer is higher wages, not immigration. Increasing the supply of available workers only depresses the price of labor, and workers are very, very far from receiving the marginal value they add to the product, as can be seen by the ever-increasing ratio of CEO to worker wages and the ever-increasing disparity of income and wealth. Always and everywhere, supply and demand dictate. If the supply of labor is held constant or at a natural level of increase, wages will rise until demand is met. Period, end of story. And yes, this will be reflected in increased prices for some goods and services, but higher wages stimulate the economy because the working classes spend their money, while the rentier class hoards its money, which decreases the velocity of money and is economically stagnating.

  16. #161

    Obama used an executive order as all Presidents have done.

    Check all the last 20 President's?

    Who has fired the most the United Sates Attorney Generals at one time and why?

    Russians wanted that. Big cover up.

    I read this on Twitter.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/u...rump.html?_r=0

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelganger  [View Original Post]
    Tres, I don't dispute your argument, but the catch phrase "to do the work that most Americans will not do" is a bit off putting since I have cleaned toilets; mowed lawns, picked okra, beans, berries ie stoop labor; thrown newspapers; sacked groceries; cleaned rat cages for medical studies; dug ditches and footings and sundry other low level labor. It did not pay much but it did pay something.

    Perhaps it would be more accurate to say "to do the work that most Americans are to LAZY to do".

    The "social safety net" is both too large and much too generous. We have too many physically able people who simply will not work and would rather be supported by the state. Perhaps the "safety net" should be reserved for those unable to work or fend for themselves but the able bodied should be off of all support and perhaps those jobs will disappear.

    Hell, even Bill Clinton forced very moderate changes in the system that resulted the hundreds of thousands coming of the assistance rolls until the Obamanation used an executive order to suspend those modest requirements.

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