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  1. #85

    Mr. Chairman, I should like to ask the gentleman a question.

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldTravel69  [View Original Post]
    There is an Impeachment questionnaire out for Trump.

    Great reasons why he is not qualified to be President.
    Can one be properly impeached if one hasn't assumed office yet?

    Thank you.

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  3. #84

    Impeachment

    There is an Impeachment questionnaire out for Trump.

    Great reasons why he is not qualified to be President.
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  4. #83

    Really?

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveC  [View Original Post]
    The hypocrisy of the right (I don't necessarily include you in this) is astonishing. The Republicans never got over Obama winning, vowed to obstruct him at every turn and succeeded in fucking up his Presidency. Now they want everyone to accept this racist corrupt bully as President even though he lost the popular vote by over two million votes and is appointing out and out racists, homophobes and unqualified people to senior positions. If Trump wants to pull the country together he's sure going about it the wrong way.
    Did Hilary really win the popular vote? Or did she win the illegal vote? They have had illegals protesting Hillary did not win and their votes did not matter. With over 12 million illegals in this country do you think at least 3 million of them voted for her...if so Trump won the popular vote. Hard to believe the illegals voted? Especially in states that harbor them...right? Obama did not get his way? Seems like he rolled the rhinos over in the congress....when did they stop him? The only thing they should not have done is they blocked his appointment for the Supreme court. It is not like he died a month before the election. Illegals in this country are pandered too without question. What is the cost in our schools and social programs? We need to shut the door. It is bad for the illegals because they are subject to abuses and they stifle wages for citizens. Once we close the door everyone will start screaming and we can have a program to have documented workers here and not their dependents.

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  6. #82

    Hypocrisy of the right

    Quote Originally Posted by SlyOne  [View Original Post]
    Does it really matter ...SHE LOST .. GET OVER IT..AND MOVE ON..

    The quicker the American nation pulls together as a whole and not as opposing sides. The quicker you will turn your nation around.
    The hypocrisy of the right (I don't necessarily include you in this) is astonishing. The Republicans never got over Obama winning, vowed to obstruct him at every turn and succeeded in fucking up his Presidency. Now they want everyone to accept this racist corrupt bully as President even though he lost the popular vote by over two million votes and is appointing out and out racists, homophobes and unqualified people to senior positions. If Trump wants to pull the country together he's sure going about it the wrong way.

  7. #81

    It's a legitimate question

    Quote Originally Posted by SlyOne  [View Original Post]
    Does it really matter ...SHE LOST .. GET OVER IT..AND MOVE ON..

    The quicker the American nation pulls together as a whole and not as opposing sides. The quicker you will turn your nation around.
    I don't support changing the electoral college but the question is a legitimate one. In the last couple elections what used to be rare has become more common.

    As far as the getting over it, that's got about as much chance of happening as when (insert whichever party) has of getting over their loss. Republicans never got over Clinton nor Obama and the Democrats never got over Bush and it's highly unlikely that they will get over Trump.

    The media will insure that the nation never pulls together, divisiveness sells advertising.

    These guys still think one is better or worse than the other and every cycle the "end of the world as we know it" guys shout louder. I'm really interested if the wolf crying ever stops. One would figure that after more than 20 years it would but they show no signs of slowing. Wasn't Obama supposed to lead us into a socialist government where all the rich people lost everything they owned and guns were outlawed?

  8. #80

    Does it matter ?

    Quote Originally Posted by SteveC  [View Original Post]
    Is there any limit to the popular vote loss of a President Elect before the supporters of the current arrangements for the electoral college would consider a change?
    Does it really matter ...SHE LOST .. GET OVER IT..AND MOVE ON..

    The quicker the American nation pulls together as a whole and not as opposing sides. The quicker you will turn your nation around.

  9. #79

    Popular Vote lead now over 2 million for Clinton

    Is there any limit to the popular vote loss of a President Elect before the supporters of the current arrangements for the electoral college would consider a change?

  10. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelganger  [View Original Post]
    I am sure our liberal/progressive brothers here would love the country to be governed by the east and west coast and to hell with the rest of the country.
    Brooking Institute created an interesting map weighting the vote by county GDP. By their analysis, 64% of GDP occurs in Blue counties.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...this-election/

    What needs to happen is that foreign direct investment and venture capital need to spread beyond California and Texas where it is mostly concentrated.

    For example, Elon Musk should have built his Tesla factories in the Midwest instead of California and Nevada.

    However, I am surprised that members of this Board would think that economic nationalism is the solution given our familiarity with Peronism, Argentina's particular form of economic nationalism. Like the Kirchner's, I think Trump intends to enrich himself in office. He said that the president legally cannot have a conflict of interest. His daughter, presumptive new CEO of his business, was included in a meeting with the head of state of Japan. Also Trump's views on tariffs seem in line with Peronism. I would be interested to hear Board member's views on economic nationalism.

  11. #77

    Balance.

    The 12 Amendment was passed by Congress on December 9, 1803 and ratified on June 15, 1804, not thirty years earlier as you stated.

    They sought balance in the election process just as balance was achieved by compromise in the House (apportioned on the basis of population) and the Senate (apportioned equally). The 12 Amendment was designed to balance the power of the populace states with those of less populous states.

    As this is an amendment it may be repealed just as the 18th Amendment was repealed by the 21st Amendment. Gentlemen I would direct your attention to the election map either by state or by county as well as the distribution of power in the House and Senate, the likelihood of such an amendment passing is unlikely in the extreme.

    I am sure our liberal/progressive brothers here would love the country to be governed by the east and west coast and to hell with the rest of the country.

  12. #76

    Federalist Papers

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelganger  [View Original Post]
    As it was intended - please download and read the Federalist Papers.
    Have read them extensively thanks. That research supports my belief that conditions as experienced by the writers of the Constitution have changed so radically that an amendment should be considered.

  13. #75

    A little Old

    They were written in the late 1780s.

    How is that have anything to do with today's changing Politics?

    There have been updates to other Constitutional amendments.

    So should the 12th Amendment; the Electoral College created on February 01, 1877.

    Quote Originally Posted by Doppelganger  [View Original Post]
    As it was intended - please download and read the Federalist Papers.

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by SteveC  [View Original Post]
    The popular vote win is now about 1.7 million. The electoral college system is looking a lot like affirmative action for rural areas!
    As it was intended - please download and read the Federalist Papers.

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  16. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by Esten  [View Original Post]

    I don't see the Electoral College going away anytime soon, nor would I wish for it. I get the point that it's not normalized to each state's population. But going by the popular vote just gives more influence to big cities vs. Smaller cities/rural areas. Although it might help Dems, I don't think I like the idea of big cities having so much influence. Hillary winning the popular vote is a good thing though. I expect it will be brought up many times over the next 4 years.
    The popular vote win is now about 1.7 million. The electoral college system is looking a lot like affirmative action for rural areas!

  17. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by Tres3  [View Original Post]
    I personally think that most politicians are duplicitous because the voters and media let them get away with it. Democracy is better than other systems, but it is still imperfect. The average voter has the attention span of an ant, and votes for the politician who tells them what they want to hear, not the facts. I wish I had coined the phrase "A good lie is half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on". Trump and Clinton are both guilty of lying, but I guess that Trump's lies resonated louder with the voters in the electoral college "battle ground" states. Thanks to the Founding Fathers, the country may go downhill for a while, but it will survive.

    Tres3.
    Agreed. And its the duty of a free press to call them out every time they do lie.

  18. #71
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    Duplicity

    I personally think that most politicians are duplicitous because the voters and media let them get away with it. Democracy is better than other systems, but it is still imperfect. The average voter has the attention span of an ant, and votes for the politician who tells them what they want to hear, not the facts. I wish I had coined the phrase "A good lie is half way around the world before the truth gets its boots on". Trump and Clinton are both guilty of lying, but I guess that Trump's lies resonated louder with the voters in the electoral college "battle ground" states. Thanks to the Founding Fathers, the country may go downhill for a while, but it will survive.

    Tres3.

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