American Politics during the Bush Presidency

[El Perro]

Have you noticed that there has been a substantial increase in USA drone missile attacks in the Pakistan / Afghanistan tribal areas recently? Even a ground troop incursion a few days ago. Now you don't think the Bushies after all their muddling around in the Bin Laden search have decided to step things up to help out McCain do you? Nah, couldn't be!

[El Perro]

Why in the running fuck does the US need an "official language" and why should it be English? Might as well make it Esperanto. And don't say it's because the English got there first because they didn't. What the US needs is not an official language but compulsory study of a second language starting in kindergarten. I fail to see where being monolingual is advantageous economically, politically, socially, or intellectually.

The legislators pushing this english as the official language joke are just hunting for votes. Propping themselves up with their panicked constituencies. More craven behavior.

[Dickhead]

Why in the running fuck does the US need an "official language" and why should it be English? Might as well make it Esperanto. And don't say it's because the English got there first because they didn't. What the US needs is not an official language but compulsory study of a second language starting in kindergarten. I fail to see where being monolingual is advantageous economically, politically, socially, or intellectually.

[Jackson]

Other than invading a country that did not have Al Queda in it is a success in your mind.

Okay, here it is again for those of you who missed it the first two times:

George Bush knew that for our own defense we needed to take the fight to Al Queda by invading a country directly in the middle of their hornet's nest, effectively sticking a finger right up their ass.

Of course, you can't acknowledge that your strategy was to use another country as a battleground in your own war, so you disguise it as a liberation. The net effect is that you create a magnet for the rabid dogs, luring them into fighting our army on foreign soil, thus keeping them occupied and deflecting their attention from attacking our homeland.

I guess you think ruining the economy

What ruined economy are you talking about? Jesus, our economy eases up on the gas pedal for a few quarters and you guys are all screaming like Chicken Little.

Increasing the national debt faster than any President in history.

We're in a war, duh.

I notice you avoided responding to my questioning your statement about the suicide rate for military being less than the general public. Show me your stats (I can certainly give you the sites where I found my data)

I suspect you did not have any stats when you posted that--you just made it up. Making things up to substantiate what you already believe rather than form your believe around the truth and / or facts. How convenient.

[url]http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-05/2008-05-29-voa64.cfm?CFID=36533324&CFTOKEN=59266683[/quote]

http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/terro.../arsuicide.htm

What a narrow world you live in.

Ditto.

[Stowe]

Bush didn't serve the religious right he used them for votes. My mom and dad are two of them. Don't believe me, believe this guy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15228489/

Hey wait a minute,.

Anything that comes from the media that disparages Republicans is nothing but a lie - is nothing but left wing propaganda and can NEVER be believed. If a media source identifies something bad about Republicans it is, always has been and always will be a fabrication. there has never been a single true thing printed about Republicans at any of these news organizations.

The only media that is NOT lying and is NOT a left wing propaganda tool are those that say only good things about Republicans. Having said that, the only media that is truly unbiased and objective is Fox news and all papers owned by News Corp. All others are communist propaganda.

Haven't we all learned that by now?

Suerte.

Stowe

[Daddy Rulz]

Military, the military, industrial, oil complexes, international corporations, and the religious right.

Bush didn't serve the religious right he used them for votes. My mom and dad are two of them. Don't believe me, believe this guy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15228489/

[Stowe]

Truman, JFK, LBJ, and Carter. But I agree, Bush is the worst!

Not sure if you are being sarcastic but, in my opinion neither LBJ nor Carter was even good presidents. While I respect Carter for much of what he has done since, I think he has a basic belief that there is not such thing evil and that he could negotiate with anyone-that all people are reasonable. His was a simplistic POV. He had too much humanitarianism in him to be President.

Sometimes you have to be tough.

Suerte.

Stowe

[Stowe]

Dogg, Stray, Stowe,

By the way, I thank you for your service to the United States. Whether you agree with or believe in the policies of your Commander in Chief, that is your right - I defend that right.

What a hypocrite. In an earlier post you questioned any and all liberals as being unpatriotic-that none of us could possibly have served our country or have family who have done so.

So to now say you defend our right to question our government when you accused us of being unpatriotic. In reality you DID NOT defend our right you attacked us. If you really believed the crap you just posted about defending our right you would not have posted the prior one questioning our patriotism.

[Stowe]

There is an end in sight because we're winning in Iraq, and thus it certainly does qualify as "another Bush success".

It is way too early to call this a success. Wait until 6 months to a year after we leave and watch the entire country be in civil war. That will happen unless we stay there forever (like McCain wants) If that happens then his invasion to help and liberate (your claim) will be a complete joke.

I fear you are delusional, however, enlighten all of us as to Bush's successes. Other than invading a country that did not have Al Queda in it is a success in your mind. I guess you think ruining the economy, increasing the national debt faster than any President in history and all the others on Dickhead's list, as well as my additions are successes since everything and anything done by a Republican MUST be right and / or perfect.

I notice you avoided responding to my questioning your statement about the suicide rate for military being less than the general public. Show me your stats (I can certainly give you the sites where I found my data)

I suspect you did not have any stats when you posted that--you just made it up. Making things up to substantiate what you already believe rather than form your believe around the truth and / or facts. How convenient. What a narrow world you live in.

Suerte.

Stowe

[Stowe]

Dogg, Stray, Stowe,

Please review the following articles; they are quoting your deity - President Clinton, by a source you will probably accept - CNN.

Please provide your comments on how the Clinton rhetoric and rationale is different from Bush's - other than putting "boots on the ground" and attempting to nation build (although Sec of DOD Cohen did say that the strikes on Sudan and Afghanistan were to defend our ideals of democracy)

http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9808/24/bomb.damage/

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...q+sudan&st=nyt

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/527uwabl.asp

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2004/j...-112921-3401r/

Stray: Possibly your branch enjoyed some of the Clinton "info blackout",

"The Pentagon's tight hold on information contrasts with previous cruise missile strikes. Sources say that at least two members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff office did not learn of the attacks until President Clinton announced them Thursday afternoon."

By the way, I thank you for your service to the United States. Whether you agree with or believe in the policies of your Commander in Chief, that is your right - I defend that right.

Gato Hunter: I'm sorry I was was not overly moved by your photos - But I am quite moved and motivated by this one. Also of the video of Paul Johnson Jr. And Nick Berg. Do you know who Paul Johnson and Nick Berg were?

Unlike almost every Republican on this forum who have NEVER once said a negative thing about any of their candidates, I, and other Dems here, have criticized our supposed leaders.

You, and others, keep bringing Clinton as someone we said was perfect in office and never had terrorist activities on their watch. Clinton has not been a part of this discussion but you conservatives bring it up to obfuscate the discussion-to redirect so you can hide behind it.

Alan, find me JUST ONE post of mine where I have posted ANYTHING about Clinton being perfect while in office. You won't and you won't even try because truth and facts are to avoided.

Having said that, Clinton is a hell of a lot better than Bush. Clinton didn't nearly destroy our economy, our constitution (oh that's right-it's ok if the constitution is pissed on as long as it is a Republican doing it)

No President is perfect but none have been totally incompetent, until now.

[Stowe]

At least these personal sacrifices were made in a campaign that produced results, specifically: A despot removed from office, the liberation of 36 million formerly oppressed people, Al Qaeda beaten to a pulp, and the creation of a new democratic country to counter-balance Iran.

Thanks,

Jackson

If the reason we invaded was to remove a despot why are we not invading about 20 other countries (most in Africa) That is just a BS excuse after-the-fact. Again, removing a despot was NOT one of Bush's first lies to the US public. Only after he was caught lying about all his other reasons did he fall back on that one.

[StrayLight]

Dogg, Stray, Stowe,

Please review the following articles; they are quoting your deity - President Clinton, by a source you will probably accept - CNN.

Alan,

This is the second time in a row you've shot your mouth off about things of which you know nothing, to wit, my opinion of Clinton or CNN.

So I'm going to let it go now. You belong, in my view, to a select group of persons who are guilty of "fractal wrongness," and as Keunwoo Lee notes in the attached link, when you run across a fractally wrong person on the Internet, the best bet is to simply save yourself some time and let that person rattle on into the void.

Fractal wrongness:

http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/k...c/lexicon.html

Ciao,

SL

[Tessan]

Dogg, Stray, Stowe,

Please review the following articles; they are quoting your deity - President Clinton, by a source you will probably accept - CNN.

Please provide your comments on how the Clinton rhetoric and rationale is different from Bush's - other than putting "boots on the ground" and attempting to nation build (although Sec of DOD Cohen did say that the strikes on Sudan and Afghanistan were to defend our ideals of democracy)

http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9808/24/bomb.damage/

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...q+sudan&st=nyt

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/527uwabl.asp

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2004/j...-112921-3401r/

Stray: Possibly your branch enjoyed some of the Clinton "info blackout",

"The Pentagon's tight hold on information contrasts with previous cruise missile strikes. Sources say that at least two members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff office did not learn of the attacks until President Clinton announced them Thursday afternoon."

By the way, I thank you for your service to the United States. Whether you agree with or believe in the policies of your Commander in Chief, that is your right - I defend that right.

Gato Hunter: I'm sorry I was was not overly moved by your photos - But I am quite moved and motivated by this one. Also of the video of Paul Johnson Jr. And Nick Berg. Do you know who Paul Johnson and Nick Berg were?

There was no link between Al Qaeda and Iraq before the war. The stuff you quoted was old, nothing was ever found linking Al Qaeda to Iraq. They did find one guy from the PLO who was retired and living in Baghdad, and another guy who was in the Kurdish area in the north, (which saddam had no control over) to try to make a link. There was no link.

Before the war, “Vice President Cheney and his most senior aide made multiple trips to the CIA over the past year to question analysts studying Iraq's weapons programs and alleged links to al Qaeda, creating an environment in which some analysts felt they were being pressured to make their assessments fit with the Bush administration's policy objectives, according to senior intelligence officials.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

“The report released by the Joint Forces Command five years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq said it found no "smoking gun" after reviewing about 600,000 Iraqi documents captured in the invasion and looking at interviews of key Iraqi leadership held by the United States, Pentagon officials said.”

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/03/13/alqaeda.saddam/

The Baath party, which Saddam Hussein was the leader, was a secular socialist party. They where hated by Al Qaeda. They did not promote religion. Within the government there where Christians, Sunni and Shia. For example Deputy Prime Minister Tareq Aziz was Christian.

“For example, of the eight top Iraqi leaders who in early 1988 sat with Husayn on the Revolutionary Command Council--Iraq's highest governing body-- three were Arab Shias (of whom one had served as Minister of Interior), three were Arab Sunnis, one was an Arab Christian, and one a Kurd. On the Regional Command Council--the ruling body of the party--Shias actually predominated. During the war, a number of highly competent Shia officers have been promoted to corps commanders. The general who turned back the initial Iranian invasions of Iraq in 1982 was a Shia.”

From http://countrystudies.us/iraq/38.htm

The Baath Party was Secular, and was fearful of religious extremist.

[Alan23]

Hey Punter. I don't think you would find many of the left leaning mongers advocating a hands off approach with Al Qaeda. Certainly not me. My beef, and I think the beef of many, has been with the monumentally flawed strategy employed by the Bush administration. Lest we forget, there were NO Al Qaeda in Iraq prior to our invasion, and there was an historical enmity between Iraq and Al Qaeda.

Remember, the Bush administration's reasons have changed considerably since they initially floated the WMD rationale, and there is much compelling evidence that alot of the WMD "evidence" was contrived.

Dogg, Stray, Stowe,

Please review the following articles; they are quoting your deity - President Clinton, by a source you will probably accept - CNN.

Please provide your comments on how the Clinton rhetoric and rationale is different from Bush's - other than putting "boots on the ground" and attempting to nation build (although Sec of DOD Cohen did say that the strikes on Sudan and Afghanistan were to defend our ideals of democracy)

http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/africa/9808/24/bomb.damage/

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpag...q+sudan&st=nyt

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...3/527uwabl.asp

http://www.washtimes.com/news/2004/j...-112921-3401r/

Stray: Possibly your branch enjoyed some of the Clinton "info blackout",

"The Pentagon's tight hold on information contrasts with previous cruise missile strikes. Sources say that at least two members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff office did not learn of the attacks until President Clinton announced them Thursday afternoon."

By the way, I thank you for your service to the United States. Whether you agree with or believe in the policies of your Commander in Chief, that is your right - I defend that right.

Gato Hunter: I'm sorry I was was not overly moved by your photos - But I am quite moved and motivated by this one. Also of the video of Paul Johnson Jr. And Nick Berg. Do you know who Paul Johnson and Nick Berg were?

[Hunt99]

Prediction: the coming week will show the most hysterical, aggressive attacks yet against Governor Palin. Expect stories about how she and her husband attend swinger clubs, etc..... (Did you know she voted for George W. Bush? The horror!)

The wheels are now officially off the Socialist Party (er, Democratic Party) bandwagon. Expect Full Panic Mode to engage right now. Time to Attack, Attack, Attack! The Messiah Must Prevail!

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1548