American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[Rocky2]

I'm not 100% sure that the Republicans will let him make it through his whole term. I'm thinking it's 50/50 that Pence is president when 2020 rolls around and that the Republicans controlling the Senate and House (not the Dems mind you) are the ones that will make it happen.

I think, don't know but think, that something pretty serious may end up coming out of this Russian thing. I know all the neo cons are going to immediately denounce this as that seems to be the strategy. I'm not saying that I want that to happen, I'm saying I think it's better than 50/50 that it will.

Just getting on record, if I'm wrong and he's still holding office come November of 2020 Doppelganger will be invited to supper any place he would like to go and it will be my treat.

In any event, it's going to be interesting to watch.

DR.

Doppelgänger, I recommend The Commander's Palace in New Orleans......best bread pudding in the world.

[Rocky2]

I'm not 100% sure that the Republicans will let him make it through his whole term. I'm thinking it's 50/50 that Pence is president when 2020 rolls around and that the Republicans controlling the Senate and House (not the Dems mind you) are the ones that will make it happen.

I think, don't know but think, that something pretty serious may end up coming out of this Russian thing. I know all the neo cons are going to immediately denounce this as that seems to be the strategy. I'm not saying that I want that to happen, I'm saying I think it's better than 50/50 that it will.

Just getting on record, if I'm wrong and he's still holding office come November of 2020 Doppelganger will be invited to supper any place he would like to go and it will be my treat.

In any event, it's going to be interesting to watch.

DR.

Doppelgnger ......I recommend The Commander's Palace in New Orleans.........best bread pudding in the world.

[Daddy Rulz]

Can you even imagine what you will hear when he wins reelection?

I'm not 100% sure that the Republicans will let him make it through his whole term. I'm thinking it's 50/50 that Pence is president when 2020 rolls around and that the Republicans controlling the Senate and House (not the Dems mind you) are the ones that will make it happen.

I think, don't know but think, that something pretty serious may end up coming out of this Russian thing. I know all the neo cons are going to immediately denounce this as that seems to be the strategy. I'm not saying that I want that to happen, I'm saying I think it's better than 50/50 that it will.

Just getting on record, if I'm wrong and he's still holding office come November of 2020 Doppelganger will be invited to supper any place he would like to go and it will be my treat.

In any event, it's going to be interesting to watch.

DR.

[AllIWantIsLove]

See attached. Laura Bush was a recipient.

http://www.gettyimages.com/event/pre...arade-84177747#president-george-w-bush-reviews-us-troops-during-a-military-parade-picture-id84184209.

Your link is to photographs which I'd guess was not your intention.

It turns out (as I just learned in the past 2 minutes) that there are two awards, the DoD Medal for Distinguished Public Service and the Secretary of Defense Medal for Outstanding Public Service. The former was given to Obama, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton and a few others. The latter has been given to Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton and many others. (All according to Wikipedia.).

Bob.

[Moore]

The money it costs to keep a person in jail is around $165,000 a year. And some people worry about $65,000 to people that want to work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/ny...tudy-says.html

That article says $31,000 is the average cost over 40 states. $168k is just for NYC.

[Member #4112]

Ok fine, give me $65,000/yr for free in after tax cash out of your pocket, would you be okay with that? I would!

He doesn't mean he pays you he means all the "other people" pay. A Liberal/Progressive will give away YOUR last dollar.

As far as the prison population expense - so they really need air conditioning, counseling, color TV, not forced to work, et al?

Like the old wild west - "Horse thieves will be shot and survivors will be hung".

I just can't wait to hear this guys bit*h and moan when he takes office. Can you even imagine what you will hear when he wins reelection?

[Shawman]

The money it costs to keep a person in jail is around $165,000 a year. And some people worry about $65,000 to people that want to work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/ny...tudy-says.html

Ok fine, give me $65,000/yr for free in after tax cash out of your pocket, would you be okay with that? I would!

[Member #4112]

See attached. Laura Bush was a recipient.

http://www.gettyimages.com/event/pre...arade-84177747#president-george-w-bush-reviews-us-troops-during-a-military-parade-picture-id84184209.

[AllIWantIsLove]

Just for clarity, the $65k/yr is not all cash in pocket, its the aggregate value in total govt benefits rec'd.

http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 <-- the source is questionable, but it makes some good points.

http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/rese...Study_2014.pdf

http://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost-1/

https://www.texmed.org/July14Journal/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...aid-treatment/

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...llect-welfare/

And in texas, citizenship is not req'd for welfare benefits, which can also include a direct cash salary. The welfare officers have no oversight, no budget, and no accountability.

Interesting Shawman. Thank you.

I'm sure you are aware of offsetting studies, one of which contains this paragraph:

"Altogether, according to the state and local tax data analysis—published by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP)—undocumented immigrants contribute about $11.6 billion to the economy annually, including nearly $7 billion in sales and excise taxes and $3.6 billion in property taxes. They are, in economic terms, productive citizens, and pay a higher effective tax rate than the top 1 percent income bracket. That alone is not the primary reason they should be embraced as neighbors and coworkers. But it dissolves the myth that immigrants do nothing but drain public coffers.".

(source: https://www.thenation.com/article/un...omy-each-year/).

And many illegal immigrants pay federal income taxes (one reason being that they don't want to damage their chances should another amnesty program come along).

This is a contentious issue only because we are trying to have it both ways. We want low produce prices and inexpensive landscaping etc. But we say that we don't want the immigrant laborers who make such prices possible. It's similar to the outsourcing issue. We want to go to Walmart and buy cheap clothing etc. But we don't want jobs sent overseas.

See this article ( http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/05/us...ant-labor.html) for one farmer's experience trying to hire US citizens to do harvesting instead of importing labor from Mexico.

Thanks again for the references.

Bob.

[AllIWantIsLove]

Laura Bush received the award as did Bill Clinton - George did not.

After gutting the military for 8 years this SOB awards himself this award - come on get real.

I am sure he feels he is of the same stature as McAuthor/LeMay/Weyland/Clay.

Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depart...Public_Service) says it was George W. And does not mention Laura.

[WorldTravel69]

The money it costs to keep a person in jail is around $165,000 a year. And some people worry about $65,000 to people that want to work.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/ny...tudy-says.html

Its easy to start at the bottom when your salary amounts to a very very nice tip on top of about $65,000/yr courtesy of government subsidies, and all of it absolutely tax free. Btw, even though we the people pay into those programs (at gunpoint, mind you), we get absolutely ZERO access to any of them and have ZERO say so in any of it.

[Member #4112]

The list I pulled up only listed Laura not George.

[Shawman]

I am curious about the benefits that immigrants are eligible for. Do you have a reference for the $65,000 per year subsidy?

Thanks, Bob.

Just for clarity, the $65k/yr is not all cash in pocket, its the aggregate value in total govt benefits rec'd.

http://cis.org/immigrant-welfare-use-2011 <-- the source is questionable, but it makes some good points.

http://www.fairus.org/DocServer/rese...Study_2014.pdf

http://amac.us/illegal-immigration-cost-1/

https://www.texmed.org/July14Journal/

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/...aid-treatment/

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/20...llect-welfare/

And in texas, citizenship is not req'd for welfare benefits, which can also include a direct cash salary. The welfare officers have no oversight, no budget, and no accountability.

[Esten]

Laura Bush received the award as did Bill Clinton - George did not.

After gutting the military for 8 years this SOB awards himself this award - come on get real.

I am sure he feels he is of the same stature as McAuthor/LeMay/Weyland/Clay.

Obama did not give himself this award. He was awarded it, and the past two presidents George Bush and Bill Clinton received it too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.aa19724ee9b8

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depart...Public_Service

Doppelganger continues to live up to his track record of misinformation if not lies. Nothing he posts in political threads is credible, IMO.

[Member #4112]

George W. Bush and Bill Clinton both received it as well.

Laura Bush received the award as did Bill Clinton - George did not.

After gutting the military for 8 years this SOB awards himself this award - come on get real.

I am sure he feels he is of the same stature as McAuthor/LeMay/Weyland/Clay.