New Pope is Argentine

[DavieW]

Can you see that the guy who wrote that has british roots? What is he going to say about Argentina? Envious because the new Pope in from Argentina? You bet!

You're Argentine right?

You don't need to answer. Without reading anything else you may have written here, I know the answer from this one pathetic post.

P.S. The guy who wrote that is from the USA, received all of his extensive education in the USA and strikes me as the sort of person that quite probably has never even left the confines of the USA.

[El Perro]

First beer is on me when I return at the end of April. Buena Onda Dog. Toymann.

You'll have to make a very long detour. I live in Bangkok now. Cheers regardless.

[Toymann]

To set the matter straight. I didn't post the article from the NYTimes with any agenda in mind whatsoever. Other than my off and on again agenda of posting articles that I think are interesting, informative, or what have you. The title of the article caught my eye, more from the perspective of the notion that the Argentines tend to be a bit stuck on themselves (I'm not saying they are). Note that the author of the article is from Argentina.

And, I have no intent of wading into the politics of abortion in Argentina, or anywhere else. Pretty much all that can be said about that subject has been. If you want to believe that arranging and paying for an abortion is as easy in Argentina as the states, then have at it. Last I checked it was illegal, and the recent legislation in Uruguay opening the route for some women to arrange abortions there was written in such a way that forbid women from other countries traveling there to get an abortion. As you know, Uruguay is Argentina's next door neighbor.

At any rate, I admire your restraint in your response. No name calling, sarcasm or use of hyperbole. Kudos.

First beer is on me when I return at the end of April. Buena Onda Dog. Toymann.

[El Perro]

To set the matter straight. I didn't post the article from the NYTimes with any agenda in mind whatsoever. Other than my off and on again agenda of posting articles that I think are interesting, informative, or what have you. The title of the article caught my eye, more from the perspective of the notion that the Argentines tend to be a bit stuck on themselves (I'm not saying they are). Note that the author of the article is from Argentina.

And, I have no intent of wading into the politics of abortion in Argentina, or anywhere else. Pretty much all that can be said about that subject has been. If you want to believe that arranging and paying for an abortion is as easy in Argentina as the states, then have at it. Last I checked it was illegal, and the recent legislation in Uruguay opening the route for some women to arrange abortions there was written in such a way that forbid women from other countries traveling there to get an abortion. As you know, Uruguay is Argentina's next door neighbor.

At any rate, I admire your restraint in your response. No name calling, sarcasm or use of hyperbole. Kudos.

[Toymann]

"Just like in the USA" as far as abortions in Argentina? Hey, patently untrue. If you have the resources in Argentina, maybe you can get an abortion a la USA, but even that is probably debatable. Otherwise, an expensive and harrowing experience.

Hate to tell ya, and even TL reports similar information from personal experience, your information on abortion in Argentina is either wrong or just outdated. Spoke to my buddy this morning who is an orthopedic surgeon in buenos aires because I was curious regarding your claim He also confirmed TL's information. Not only is it performed in every major hospital in Argentina, but there are several woman's groups, funded quietly behind the scenes for years by Madame Presidente and her predesessors, that will pay for the private procedure. The cost is roughly 4 to 5000 pesos and is arranged through several private clinics in buenos aires, and in most provincial capitals around the country.

So spare me your schoolboy lecturing. Run along now and play with your laddies.

No intention of schoolboy lecturing Dog. Your article was quite slanted towards bashing the church. Your timing is a little suspect in, just passing it along as you do from time to time. Two clear examples of the authors slant.

"Catholicism has never excelled at letting nonbelievers live as they believe they should. The right to legal abortion, for one, will be a ruthless field of that battle: "our" pope will surely never allow his own country, where legal abortion remains severely limited, to set a bad example. Here, as everywhere, the Vatican is a main lobbying force for conservative, even reactionary, issues. An Argentine pope can bring this power to uncharted heights.

And my favourite.

"The hierarchy of Argentina's Catholic Church was complicit with the military genocide.

These are but two examples of the authors slant. Both severely socialist, anti-abortion and peronista!

It just seemed like an odd choice, and timing, for presentation of this article. I called you on it, but tried to keep it cordial. I repeat, let Argentina have its day Dog. My dos centavos. Toymann.

[Caricoso]

Just passing along an article as I do from time to time. I have no dog in the Pope debate, and honestly could give a shit one way or the other.

"Just like in the USA" as far as abortions in Argentina? Hey, patently untrue. If you have the resources in Argentina, maybe you can get an abortion a la USA, but even that is probably debatable. Otherwise, an expensive and harrowing experience.

YOU are talking about "ugly americans". ROTFLMAO. As a non USA native, you do about as convincing an impression of ugly americans as I've seen.

So spare me your schoolboy lecturing. Run along now and play with your laddies.

How much do you know about Argentina? No much, I can tell!

[TejanoLibre]

Just passing along an article as I do from time to time. I have no dog in the Pope debate, and honestly could give a shit one way or the other.

"Just like in the USA" as far as abortions in Argentina? Hey, patently untrue. If you have the resources in Argentina, maybe you can get an abortion a la USA, but even that is probably debatable. Otherwise, an expensive and harrowing experience.

YOU are talking about "ugly americans". ROTFLMAO. As a non USA native, you do about as convincing an impression of ugly americans as I've seen.

So spare me your schoolboy lecturing. Run along now and play with your laddies.

Unfortunately I have paid for 3 abortions in BA and have bought numerous day after pills, I even paid for a police woman's abortion because I am kind and I rewind!

I killed 5 in the USA but there are about 9 that survived. I sold my "Baby Goo" when I was young, dumb and full! Got payed to do something that we ALL do.

Had to sign legal papers saying that I would never look for my children. It's going to be a Greek Tragedy when I marry my own daughter without knowing it!

Abortion been berry, berry good to me!

TL.

I will save a spot in hell for you!

[El Perro]

Just passing along an article as I do from time to time. I have no dog in the Pope debate, and honestly could give a shit one way or the other.

"Just like in the USA" as far as abortions in Argentina? Hey, patently untrue. If you have the resources in Argentina, maybe you can get an abortion a la USA, but even that is probably debatable. Otherwise, an expensive and harrowing experience.

YOU are talking about "ugly americans". ROTFLMAO. As a non USA native, you do about as convincing an impression of ugly americans as I've seen.

So spare me your schoolboy lecturing. Run along now and play with your laddies.

Did you know that Argentina is, by percent population, the most catholic nation on earth. Even more than Italy. Last I looked it was north of 94% who identified themselves as catholic. So why, the article dude. Why must you focus on abortion, at this moment. Why throw the stones. My lastl post sums it up. Put aside your personal convictions and celebrate the differences. You can get an abortion in Argentina in spite of the Catholic Church, JUST LIKE IN THE USA. So why all the stone throwing. Why just not celebrate the moment. Argentina has not had so many great moments in recent memory. For just a few days, just be happy for your adopted country. You can get back to this stuff in a few days. Just my dos centavos. Toymann.

P.S. The article you posted is just lame US anti-abortion junk. Figured you would know better Dog. Although I do not live in Argentina I have a good many argentine friends. I am happy to celebrate with them, and I will party even more when I return next month. And you wonder why many call us "ugly Americans". Food for thought. Let them have there moment Dog.

[Toymann]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/op...e.html?hp&_r=0

Did you know that Argentina is, by percent population, the most catholic nation on earth. Even more than Italy. Last I looked it was north of 94% who identified themselves as catholic. So why, the article dude. Why must you focus on abortion, at this moment. Why throw the stones. My lastl post sums it up. Put aside your personal convictions and celebrate the differences. You can get an abortion in Argentina in spite of the Catholic Church, JUST LIKE IN THE USA. So why all the stone throwing. Why just not celebrate the moment. Argentina has not had so many great moments in recent memory. For just a few days, just be happy for your adopted country. You can get back to this stuff in a few days. Just my dos centavos. Toymann.

P.S. The article you posted is just lame US anti-abortion junk mixed with peronista propaganda. I loved the one line talking about the church being complicit with the military in the civil war. Lol. Figured you would know better Dog. Although I do not live in Argentina I have a good many argentine friends. I am happy to celebrate with them, and I will party even more when I return next month. And you wonder why many call us "ugly Americans". Food for thought. Let them have there moment Dog.

[El Perro]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/op...e.html?hp&_r=0

[Toymann]

I would say, people who think for themselves often just don't entirely agree with organized religion. How can you discover the truth, if you're expected to believe something written in a book, and believe other people repeating it? Some people prefer to apply critical thinking.

This is called a "self-fulfilling prophesy" Esten. Nothing more to say really. Such a shame! Monger on dude. Toymann.

[Toymann]

I would say, people who think for themselves often just don't entirely agree with organized religion. How can you discover the truth, if you're expected to believe something written in a book, and believe other people repeating it? Some people prefer to apply critical thinking.

It's no coincidence that the same group of people who are prone to believe a religious book, are prone to believe a constitution, without questioning.

I have no particular animosity to organized religion, it's leaders and followers. Organized religion does a great deal of good. I respect it. But any religion that actively works to ban abortion is also an enemy of freedom. Not just for women, but men as well. If a woman has no choice regarding an unwanted fetus, there is no hope for a man ever getting a say in the matter either.

Religious belief is based upon, GUESS WHAT, belief. Nothing more nothing less. Your post actually makes my point Esten. You may not like all aspects of the institution you work for my brother. Does that mean you should quit! Because you don't like one facet of a multifaceted organization? One not need embrace all aspects of everything to belong. Christianity is about free choice. You will never find a one size fits all your desires type of scenario. I have no intention of turning this into a politically charged abortion debate Esten. Now stop it! At least the catholic institution stands for something. You may not like all of it, as most of you're political persuasion prefers to judge without any real basis in reality. When was the last time you contributed to a charity or gave your time. Now stop this drivel, heading towards abortion vitriol. I wish both liberals and conservatives would just get over this argument. It's so old news, it's the law of the land in the USA. It's not the law in other countries. Get over it. Now please, if you want to howl at the moon regarding abortion, start you're own thread. Shame on you! Shame on you! Toymann.

[Esten]

Many liberals, and virtually all extreme socialists have trouble with organized religion.

I would say, people who think for themselves often just don't entirely agree with organized religion. How can you discover the truth, if you're expected to believe something written in a book, and believe other people repeating it? Some people prefer to apply critical thinking.

It's no coincidence that the same group of people who are prone to believe a religious book, are prone to believe a constitution, without questioning.

I have no particular animosity to organized religion, it's leaders and followers. Organized religion does a great deal of good. I respect it. But any religion that actively works to ban abortion is also an enemy of freedom. Not just for women, but men as well. If a woman has no choice regarding an unwanted fetus, there is no hope for a man ever getting a say in the matter either.

[Toymann]

Of course if we read TL (he is very Argentinean and very catholic!) to the point that he makes jokes about the new Pope, showing how happy as an Argentinean he is.

Pay no attention to TL. He just made a bad joke. He may have been born in Argentina but he bleeds Texas. The only reason he is not back in Texas is most likely because he can't go back. Seems like many of the ex-pats have a similar story. Many are running from something. Enjoy the day Caricoso. I have been on the phone with my argentine friends almost constantly for the past to days. You have Mesi and now the Pope! That's something to celebrate. By the way, the Pope trumps Mesi, depending on who you talk to. LOL. Enjoy the moment! Monger on dude. Toymann.

Ps. IMHO, the polish pope was the best of all time. I think the new pope will follow him with great style and similar grace. That said, I should comment that I am not catholic. Just my dos centavos

[Caricoso]

Didn't get that at all from the article. Really. Please elaborate. To me was just a statement on separation of church and state. Still think it is killer moment for Argentina. Most likely the best in a very long time! Just my dos centavos. Toymann.

It is a killer moment for Argentina. I agree!, but is clear that (Am I wrong on this?) as soon as he became the "new Pope", I found comments that associate him with something "no good" and lots of controversy, instead saying that the new Pope is a man of integrity (Please read European and Latin American news as well) and all the values that are needed to become a Pope right?

Of course if we read TL (he is very Argentinean and very catholic!) to the point that he makes jokes about the new Pope, showing how happy as an Argentinean he is.