Cafe Exedra

[Esten]

I sense a whiff of desperation in the air. Seriously??

Come on, you locals must have rolodexes of chicas you can call up when you need some company.

[Gandolf50]

I walked into Exedra last night around 10:30 pm and it was full of old and trashy women. Seriously, not for free, not even if hey paid me would I take any of those women, horrible. What has hapened Buenos Aires? I came to this place 10 years ago, the hottest Uruguayan babe would bang me for like 200 P for many hours (at that time $1 = 3 P, so 200 P = $65 or so). And now they want what, 800 P (= $90 if you get the blue rate or $140 using the official exchange rate) and you have to hustle with them. No way, I have had enough chicas and the greatest memories in this place, not that desperate to get laid unless the girl AND the price are both right!

Unfortunately things have changed. And not for the better.

[Fun Pete]

I walked into Exedra last night around 10:30 pm and it was full of old and trashy women. Seriously, not for free, not even if hey paid me would I take any of those women, horrible. What has hapened Buenos Aires? I came to this place 10 years ago, the hottest Uruguayan babe would bang me for like 200 P for many hours (at that time $1 = 3 P, so 200 P = $65 or so). And now they want what, 800 P (= $90 if you get the blue rate or $140 using the official exchange rate) and you have to hustle with them. No way, I have had enough chicas and the greatest memories in this place, not that desperate to get laid unless the girl AND the price are both right!

[Punter 127]

Does this need more parse?

NEW RULES:

Parsers get pistol whipped if over one parse.

Seems you could get your point across clearly with out regurgitating.

The whole pot of drivel again.

Punter 12345 is also on the list.

The day they let you start making the rules we'll know the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Don't start no shit, there won't be no shit.

Oh brother that day is was in the rear view a very, very, VERY long time ago. LOL.

True but when a Freddie the Freeloader look-alike lunatic starts making the forum rules it will be proof positive.

BTW when Jack-off gets ready to do that "pistol whipped" thingy, I'm his Huckleberry.

[Daddy Rulz]

we'll know the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Oh brother that day is was in the rear view a very, very, VERY long time ago. LOL.

[Punter 127]

Punter 12345 is also on the list.

The day they let you start making the rules we'll know the lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Don't start no shit, there won't be no shit.

[Jackpot]

I'm not saying the "Argie mentality" doesn't exist (this has been discussed on AP many times over the years). I'm saying it does not apply to all chicas in all circumstances. Some of the statements here (probably including my own in my last post) are over-generalizations. Striking a good deal will depend on many factors. With some chicas with inflated prices it will be almost impossible, understood. But there are ALWAYS opportunities to be had, limited only by your effort and creativity.



Who said anything about tipping before? You tip AFTER.



Who said anything about expecting better service the next time? You tip only if you got good service, which you'll expect the next time. And BTW I wouldn't do this with the indies DR mentioned who have standard rates and service levels. It's for the club chicas, as needed (not always), who may need some convincing to give me the standard rate not the gringo rate.



So what if she's upset. It will be the same deal next time, and if she doesn't deliver, no tip (and no seeing her again).



Some chicas, not all. This reminds me of the many times a chica has whispered to me "psst... between you and me OK? Don't tell the other chicas". You expect me to believe these chicas giving me a better deal than others have quoted, NEVER charged a higher price to a Yankee?



If the hotties have a pact to lock the Yankees out below 800, either get more creative or find another source of hotties (if 800 is too much). BTW, you're going to hate me saying this but 800 is not too ridiculous with the recent exchange rate. Even a Madahos-caliber chica at 1000 pesos is a much better deal than pulling her from Madahos.



Yeah the local foro is fantastic. And many fantastic local indies. But, if some gringo comes along and tips Yamy 400 pesos, is she going to expect the same from the Argies? Or the next gringo? Of course not. So we've established right there that the "Argie mentality" does not always apply.



I think I get where you're coming from. You'd like Exedra to be a convenient, reliable late-night source of good quality at good prices. Some tourists are creating inflation. I can't argue with that. I just disagree with the over-generalizations.

NEW RULES:

Parsers get pistol whipped if over one parse.

Seems you could get your point across clearly with out regurgitating.

The whole pot of drivel again.

Punter 12345 is also on the list.

[Gandolf50]

[QUOTE=Esten;435407]I'm not saying the "Argie mentality" doesn't exist (this has been discussed on AP many times over the years). I'm saying it does not apply to all chicas in all circumstances. Some of the statements here (probably including my own in my last post) are over-generalizations. Striking a good deal will depend on many factors. With some chicas with inflated prices it will be almost impossible, understood. But there are ALWAYS opportunities to be had, limited only by your effort and creativity.



You are right, there are always exceptions to every statement or rule. But here? In Argentina? Very, very few.. Your experiences are limited as a tourist. For those of us who live here its a 95% sure thing. The Argie mentality exists and very hard to understand why.

[Esten]

I'm not saying the "Argie mentality" doesn't exist (this has been discussed on AP many times over the years). I'm saying it does not apply to all chicas in all circumstances. Some of the statements here (probably including my own in my last post) are over-generalizations. Striking a good deal will depend on many factors. With some chicas with inflated prices it will be almost impossible, understood. But there are ALWAYS opportunities to be had, limited only by your effort and creativity.

Suppose you see a girl that quotes 500 pesos an hour. If you tip her a 100 pesos before the session, she will just think that you're a gringo with extra money to give away. No more than that. She will say Gracias but the 100 peso will NOT help you in receiving better service than someone who pays 500.

Who said anything about tipping before? You tip AFTER.

Or, suppose you're happy with a girl when the session is finished and tip her a 100 after the session. Again, she will say "Gracias mi amor!" but if you come back the next day to see her again, will she be ready to give you better service? NO.

Who said anything about expecting better service the next time? You tip only if you got good service, which you'll expect the next time. And BTW I wouldn't do this with the indies DR mentioned who have standard rates and service levels. It's for the club chicas, as needed (not always), who may need some convincing to give me the standard rate not the gringo rate.

Just like anyone would look at her as a 500 peso / hour girl, she will look at you as a 600 peso client, and I can guarantee that she will be upset if you don't pay her the original 500 plus the 100 tip again.

So what if she's upset. It will be the same deal next time, and if she doesn't deliver, no tip (and no seeing her again).

I live here, money is more important than time. I speak Spanish (poorly, but I speak enough) and in my experience it just doesn't matter. If you are a Yankee, they know somebody who some other Yankee paid 2 x the going rate and they won't settle for less. You can work the amount for more time as you said, they will say 1200 for two hours but they are gone in 45 unless you argue with them and who wants to do that. And who wants to have a girl around for 2 hours unless you like them.

Some chicas, not all. This reminds me of the many times a chica has whispered to me "psst... between you and me OK? Don't tell the other chicas". You expect me to believe these chicas giving me a better deal than others have quoted, NEVER charged a higher price to a Yankee?

I would bang a couple girls from Exedra but they are nuts. The older ugly chicks want 600-1000 an hour, younger hotter 800-1200.

If the hotties have a pact to lock the Yankees out below 800, either get more creative or find another source of hotties (if 800 is too much). BTW, you're going to hate me saying this but 800 is not too ridiculous with the recent exchange rate. Even a Madahos-caliber chica at 1000 pesos is a much better deal than pulling her from Madahos.

What's the difference? Not a lot of extranjeros are going to see them. They service almost exclusively Argentines and are subject to a very active and often critical forum. The VERY highest priced chicks are 900 with these indies and for most of them it's an hour fucking, normally an hour 20- and hour 30 for the whole session. Those chicks are be and see list model hot and will seriously lay some pleasure on you.

Yeah the local foro is fantastic. And many fantastic local indies. But, if some gringo comes along and tips Yamy 400 pesos, is she going to expect the same from the Argies? Or the next gringo? Of course not. So we've established right there that the "Argie mentality" does not always apply.

I'd just like to get a little at night sometime is all.

I think I get where you're coming from. You'd like Exedra to be a convenient, reliable late-night source of good quality at good prices. Some tourists are creating inflation. I can't argue with that. I just disagree with the over-generalizations.

[TejanoLibre]

Esten, I assume from your previous posts that you speak better than passable Spanish. If that assumption is correct, you forget that many of the gringos who come to BA looking for pussy speak little or no Spanish. I can tell you from "pretending" that I spoke very little Spanish that the pricing was different than when I spoke to the chicas in fluent, albeit university, Spanish. They knew that I was a tourist on both occasions.

Tres3.

Somebody should try using Flash Cards written in Perfect Spanish, not that the girls would know the difference between perfect Spanish and incorrect Spanish.

The cards could state that you are a Mute from Buenos Aires and that you would like to spend some time with them.

You would have to be able to understand them a little bit though. Or not.

Deaf / Mute?

Better!

Flash Cards for Taxi Drivers..

Just write your address down on a slip of paper and show it directly to the taxi driver to avoid a Tour.

I can't pull this trick off at any of the haunts but a lot of you can try.

At worst the girls should get a kick out of it.

TL.

[Tres3]

DR, There is truth to what you say, and I know you want us tourists to stop paying too much. But I think you are over-generalizing. Most chicas will set their rates based on averages, not outliers. If some guy comes along and pays double the average, yes that outlier may influence some chicas to try to get more. But no way does that translate into the chica or her friends automatically expecting double from all customers. And how you talk her up is always a factor. Tell me where I'm going wrong.

Esten, I assume from your previous posts that you speak better than passable Spanish. If that assumption is correct, you forget that many of the gringos who come to BA looking for pussy speak little or no Spanish. I can tell you from "pretending" that I spoke very little Spanish that the pricing was different than when I spoke to the chicas in fluent, albeit university, Spanish. They knew that I was a tourist on both occasions.

Tres3.

[Gandolf50]

People don't understand Argie economics. Here a used car (all used vehicles) go up in price every year, not down like in other countries. People often sell things that are well used for the price of a new one saying that it is better now that it is broken in. Some one could be starving and have no money to eat but will turn down decent paying work because they "deserve" more! I've never seen a more a $$ backwards country economically. Chicas are just a extension of this. There are a lot of ass holes that come to this country and pay 10 times the girls worth because they never had a decent piece of a $$ before and now they are in love. Then the girls all think that this is the "new" norm. People don't understand Argie mentality and continue to contribute to the fantasy land mentality of the average Argie.

[Joe 23]

But basically the dynamics are different for tourists, where a deal structured with a tip can help tilt the session towards better service.

Excuse me to point this out, but in my opinion you are completely mistaken about the girls here.

Suppose you see a girl that quotes 500 pesos an hour. If you tip her a 100 pesos before the session, she will just think that you're a gringo with extra money to give away. No more than that. She will say Gracias but the 100 peso will NOT help you in receiving better service than someone who pays 500.

Or, suppose you're happy with a girl when the session is finished and tip her a 100 after the session. Again, she will say "Gracias mi amor!" but if you come back the next day to see her again, will she be ready to give you better service? NO. Just like anyone would look at her as a 500 peso / hour girl, she will look at you as a 600 peso client, and I can guarantee that she will be upset if you don't pay her the original 500 plus the 100 tip again.

A deal structured with a tip does NOT help the session towards better service. This applies not only to girls but to almost any business run by Argentines.

[DavieW]

the chica's incentive is repeat business.

Not if she's Argentinian!

If she's Argentinian she has absolutely zero concept of repeat business and can't see further ahead than the end of her nose!

[Daddy Rulz]

BTW- Argies don't tip because the chica's incentive is repeat business. If the chica knows you're a tourist in town for a short time, this incentive is very limited. You can increase it a bit by saying you're in town for 3 more weeks (even if you're leaving tomorrow). But basically the dynamics are different for tourists, where a deal structured with a tip can help tilt the session towards better service.

I live here, money is more important than time. I speak Spanish (poorly, but I speak enough) and in my experience it just doesn't matter. If you are a Yankee, they know somebody who some other Yankee paid 2 x the going rate and they won't settle for less. You can work the amount for more time as you said, they will say 1200 for two hours but they are gone in 45 unless you argue with them and who wants to do that. And who wants to have a girl around for 2 hours unless you like them.

I would bang a couple girls from Exedra but they are nuts. The older ugly chicks want 600-1000 an hour, younger hotter 800-1200.

These are just the chicks who's name starts with the letter A off Baires and the local forum I have sessioned with;.

450 hr, 400 on Saturdays http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/A...9212_12114.htm.

600 an hour and will fuck you to death http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/A...-4651_8930.htm.

400, not great but if you're hungry for a spinner with big fake titties its a visual thing. http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/A...1435_11502.htm.

Hell Alexia even runs specials for 400 some days if you want a 35 year old hottie. http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/A...-4476_4675.htm.

400 conventional /500 complato total P.S.E. http://www.bairesgirls.net/escorts/A...4649_12301.htm.

These are all indies not privado girls so it's not like they are fucking 10 guys a day (and privado girls don't do that many).

What's the difference? Not a lot of extranjeros are going to see them. They service almost exclusively Argentines and are subject to a very active and often critical forum. The VERY highest priced chicks are 900 with these indies and for most of them it's an hour fucking, normally an hour 20- and hour 30 for the whole session. Those chicks are be and see list model hot and will seriously lay some pleasure on you.

I hate sounding like one of the price police, it's not my money and I think people should spend it as they wish. But to say there isn't an effect and that it can't be controlled just isn't true.

DR.

I'd just like to get a little at night sometime is all.