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Jaimito Cartero

And it's sad when you hear about the numbnuts who pay 500 pesos at Orleans and other places. You don't have to make the chicas cry, but to give them whatever they want just makes them think you're a sucker.

Isola2000

Do not agree with "Always negotiate".

It can create very bad tensions.

I have pressurised some girls to far on many occassions, and have had bad experience.

When you use this website you know the going rate for most places in BA.

Same for me in Rio, where I have lived for a number of years.

You pay a top girl from Help or any of the top bars max 250 -300 for the night.

Use the going rate.

If you do not know it, negotiate.

Aqualung

I also agree - I never negotiate. If a girl quotes me more than the going rate or what I'm willing to pay I just turn my back on her. I don't even bother telling her it's too much.

I call the next and start all over again. Sooner or later they realize that I'm going to pay what I want and not what they want and their prices come down accordingly.

The first one that quotes what I'm willing to pay I go with. Next time I go to the club, the girls that are really interested in my business will know what I am going to pay and if they are not interested they don't come near me.

It has happened to me that after three or four times doing this a girl I fancied the first time will come up and tell me she'll go out for what I originally offered.

The girls talk to each other and sometimes, bless them, it's to our benefit

Ricker

Negotiating doesn't have to be a high pressure, tense occassion.

I'm negotiating with a chica even before she knows it. Getting her to laugh and enjoy herself, and even to genuinely like you.

If you can get her there, usually the fee is no big deal.

If unbelievably, the chica still acts like a hardened pro on price and attitude, I just move on. No pressure, not worth it.

If I don't feel the love before the lovin', I don't care to be with the chica anyway.

Lysander

Yes the girls do talk to each other. And this does not always work in your favour. This can happen in clubs, in privados, and in Cafe Orleans. Say you've you've been taking girls out of a club for 300 then you weaken one night and take a girl out for 500. You may find that when next you try to negotiate with some of the other girls they are asking for 500 and won't come down in price. In a privado, if you feel tempted to offer a tip of 50p for "outstanding service" don't be surprised when you go with another girl from the same place, she goes cool on you when you don't give her a 50p propina as well. In Orleans last year I took out a couple of nice looking looking girls for 200p and had a good time with both. Then one day in walks a real stunner. I paid 300p. The sex was well below average. Next time I went in there, both girls I had previously taken out for 200p absolutely refused to budge below 300p.

Tessan

You are right. Last year I want with a friend of Michele the redhead from the south of Brazil, I paid Eliana 300p. Now Michele want 300p, even though everyone says she goes for 200p. Your right. Once you pay up, they talk to each other, then the other girls want you to pay up too. So be careful.

Jaimito Cartero

Actually I think 150p is the real price, or maybe even less for locals, for Michele. This is one reason, why I'm always willing to walk about if the price isn't right. If I was an 18 year old kid with lots of money, I'd be destitute!

Isola2000

Use this superb website (ArgPrivate) as an indicator.

Do not negiote, you set the price and there is no negotiations. The girl will be happy and you will be happy.

Going rates (Nov.-Dec. 2007) everything in pesos.

Cafes Exedra (avoid) Orleans (great but small) max 250

Pesos. Let the girl take you to the best love hotel in.

BA, 300 yards from Orleans.

Loads of other thing but follow ArgPriv recommendations,

And do not try other.

Rover

The negotiation is the very first test of wills between the personalites involved in the negotiation.

It serves to establish dominance in the encounter over the other person.

To not negotiate and simply aquiese to the other party's stated terms is to commence the relationship with the implicit understanding that YOU are in no position to bargain and by default acknowledge that you have nothing of value in which to offer.

Unless you are into being submissive and like being dominated by a woman this is a very unenviable position to be in when commencing your encounter.

From this point on simple requests such as starting out by giving you head or her getting into the doggy position will be met with responses that intonate that not only are you being annoying but that you are also over-stepping your bounds.

Isola2000

Maybe I started this "not to negotiate thing", but I did not mean that you accept what a chica asks for.

YOU set the price, and NO negotiations and no talk.

Re price.

Lysander

My apartment is not far from a number of Recoleta boliches and I've been taking advantage of 'special' offers to have a drink and chat with some of the girls on evenings when things are quiet. The girls invariably start asking a minimum 300p or US$100, and will often ask 350p, 400p or US$150. Except in Madahos I have had no trouble in getting girls to accept 200p for the hour. I took a Paraguaya spinner out the last week for 200p. Perfect body and good company, but disappointingly restrained in bed for a Paraguaya. Afterwards we were having a chat about business and she said normally with extranjeros she never accepts less than 300p, but admitted that she has no problem going with locals for 200p. Then why did you go with me for 200p? I asked, is it because I speak Spanish? No she laughed, your Spanish isn't that great, but you speak Portena Spanish, and you seemed to know your way around here, so I decided to accept 200p. She continued, "The thing is that extranjeros, especially the North Americans, usually just accept it when I ask 300p or even 350p. It's not just me, its the same with all the girls. Some of the Europeans and the Brazilians try to bargain, but because they are usually here for a short time on business or holiday they usually don't seem to mind paying more either. Anyway they've got much more money so its only fair they should pay more. "

I've had conversations about this with girls in other clubs around here and in Newport and get much the same story. I can't help feeling that this two level pricing structure is going to become the norm in clubs frequented by well-heeled short-term visitors.

MCSE

#1- Watch your time first. Your negotation will get time spent. Before even starting, consider the timing variable. So, evaluate if worth the time you're going to spend into this negotation.

The best thing for this it's to make a quick evaluation of the merchancy. (as soon as you can, try to touch her and see if there is chemistry, otherwise, the whole negotation has no reason to keep going)

#2- Show yourself respectful and nice. One of the main reason for negotation to fail, it's about the feeling the girl gets on you. If the girl likes you more than the other guys around, the process will be easier to get accomplished.

#3- Never negotiate for another guy. Either negotiate a group (if you are hangin with a group of guys, pick the weaker mind of the girl's group and try to settle a flat amount for all of them) otherwise, negotiate privately with the girl of your interest. But never negotiate for a friend and his girl, because they get pissed.

#4- The filtering must be at least 3 quarters of the whole process, so that means the money issue will be as maximum 1 quarter of the time you're talking to the girl, and should be the last thing to talk about, AND never the first.

#4.1- So, destinate the first instances to agree about the service to be provided, what is included and what is not, the time to be spent, and in the middle, have fun about it. Make her laugh and relax, and attack when she is already relaxed.

#4.2- Discretely, always look around, and this will work as well for you because you're looking for another possibility, in case this one fails.

#5- If after all of that, the girl tells you something very stupid, as "yes, 500 dollars", or whatever, don't get dissapointed, she is only trying, but she is aware she have few chances for that to happen. Do not dismiss, now you're starting to negotiate.

#6- Keep in mind suceeding will depend on her willing to spend time with you more than your negotiation skills. She sees in you an opportunity to make money, but it's also important to consider she does not knows you, saying "I'm looking for love" instead of "I'm looking for sex" may help.

#7- Now, this is the part for you to expose yourself Saying you are a frequent monger, and you've got dissapointed in the past, or, you're a regular on the competitor's boliche. That's an added value for her business, because many girls are interested in having reg clients.

#8- Elevate yourself: True or Fake, you can tell the girl you're staying at BARTS apartments (in case you're not familiar with the brand check out www.barts.com.ar) while this is not the most important thing for your negotiation to succeed so that's why I numbered as #8, it's something I always say, and many girls are familiar with BARTS Premier Apartments, so they know they'll feel confortable, and you are a guy of respect.

#9- One big mistake many amateur negotiators make is to become too emotionally attached to winning. This is counter productive. Most deals are only possible if both people feel they're getting something out of it. Stay calm and friendly, even if the girl starts to get uncool.

#10- Don't leave the girl to feeling as if she've been screwed before sex happens. This is a mistake. If she feels she've been cheated, this can come back to you. They may not fulfill their part of the deal, or refuse to deal with you in the future.

Hardseed

Negotiating involves a lot of psychology. Chicas are like children; they will always push you to see how much they can get away with. If you continually give in to them they will not respect you and take advantage of you. Obviously there is a limit below which you should not go otherwise you may be regarded as miserly and, therefore, to be avoided. That being said, a man who is not respected will get poor service or just enough to get by. A man who shows a tough exterior, is confident and decisive imbues in the woman a sort of sexual arousal and would get service accordingly.

Now, obviously, this would not work all the time for we are dealing with human beings and nothing is more uncertain than the human mind, but I believe the aforementioned will work most of the time.