Argentine Economy

[BadMan]

Never heard of those newspapers, and what do communist papers have anything to do with this? You have no facts to speak of. Changing the subject again aren't we? And as any fair critic could see, my posts are generally straight from the BBC, I mean I know there is a C in the name but I would hardly call them communist, again just more of your illogical dishonest disingenuous spin.

Let's pretend you are in a courtroom, and try to stick to the facts. And remember, facts are those silly things you have to prove in order to be taken seriously. If not it is hearsay and it is of no use to anyone. Unless you are pathetically trying to string something together to fit your overall narrow minded outdated political perspective.

Bad

[BadMan]

Concerning ''Links''--anyone can search and find support for any loco idea that he may savor. You are the classic practitioner!

Is all I have to say.

Bad.

Again, this is pure unsubstantiated innuendo. But knock yourself out.

[BadMan]

Concerning ''Links''--anyone can search and find support for any loco idea that he may savor. You are the classic practitioner!

Is all I have to say.

Bad

[Hunt99]

Tigre, you are close but not quite there. The cases revolved around a Trooper, then Sheriff - Bob Vogel. He started out as a trooper working the I95 run southbound in Volusia county Florida because the money went south and the drugs went north.

He allegedly did alot of profiling but because it was a new approach and there was not alot of precedent. What would happen is he would stop a car with two occupants for a minor violation (of course there were reports he was spotlighting the cars as they went by) and separate them. Their answers never matched and then he would call in the drug dog who would find the money. The occupants would deny it was theirs, since they denied ownership it would be confiscated. Very few arrests were ever made. The mules were happy to drive off. Obviously they were not upstanding citizens. There are alot of probable cause issues and one that arose was the permission to search was always asked for at the conclusion of the traffic stop and ticket issuance. The occupants would be told something like you are free to go and then the deputy would ASK if it would be okay to check the car for drugs. Most people always agreed not realizing that their detention was over and they were free to leave or refuse further questions or searches.

After many years the court cases started to water down the whole system, especially after he was elected Sheriff and set up teams to follow his progam and there were a few abuses. Eventually the whole thing dried up. But not until the SO's office had received alot of money over the years added to their special operations budgets. Another problem arose when the county council wanted to use some of the money to reduce the Sheriff's budget and he rightfully pointed out that confiscated funds under state law could only be used to enhance operations, they could not be used for normal operational expenses. Lots of new uniforms, cars, 40 cal, autos, boats, overtime, training, etc. Thanks drugs dealers!

Believe me 99.9% of the money confiscated was enroute to Miami for cocaine.

So speaks a voice of reason and experience. Very few people cart around briefcases full of cash for legitimate reasons. When they do, and are asked about it, they tend to be able to provide immediate, reasonable answers (Wells Fargo deliveries, bank couriers, diamond merchants, government operatives, real estate closings probably constitute a vast majority of the legitimate cases).

Those who say "It's my right to carry around 800 grand in cash, so fuck off!" are technically right - there's nothing illegal about it. But I'm not stupid, and neither are cops. In such a situation, expect people's suspicions to be legitimately raised.

[Thomaso276]

Tigre, you are close but not quite there. The cases revolved around a Trooper, then Sheriff - Bob Vogel. He started out as a trooper working the I95 run southbound in Volusia county Florida because the money went south and the drugs went north.

He allegedly did alot of profiling but because it was a new approach and there was not alot of precedent. What would happen is he would stop a car with two occupants for a minor violation (of course there were reports he was spotlighting the cars as they went by) and separate them. Their answers never matched and then he would call in the drug dog who would find the money. The occupants would deny it was theirs, since they denied ownership it would be confiscated. Very few arrests were ever made. The mules were happy to drive off. Obviously they were not upstanding citizens. There are alot of probable cause issues and one that arose was the permission to search was always asked for at the conclusion of the traffic stop and ticket issuance. The occupants would be told something like you are free to go and then the deputy would ASK if it would be okay to check the car for drugs. Most people always agreed not realizing that their detention was over and they were free to leave or refuse further questions or searches.

After many years the court cases started to water down the whole system, especially after he was elected Sheriff and set up teams to follow his progam and there were a few abuses. Eventually the whole thing dried up. But not until the SO's office had received alot of money over the years added to their special operations budgets. Another problem arose when the county council wanted to use some of the money to reduce the Sheriff's budget and he rightfully pointed out that confiscated funds under state law could only be used to enhance operations, they could not be used for normal operational expenses. Lots of new uniforms, cars, 40 cal, autos, boats, overtime, training, etc. Thanks drugs dealers!

Believe me 99.9% of the money confiscated was enroute to Miami for cocaine.

[Tigre]

You guys obviously hate each other, and I've only skimmed the most recent posts. But I will tell you this, if you are carrying some sum of cash over $9999.99 then you are going to be answering some questions.

In fact, if any of you guys watch 20/20 or PrimeTime Live on ABC, a few years ago they were showing how the FL highway patrol / state troppers were intentionally stopping people and confiscating money.

Now it really doesnt matter if they take $2000 or $10000. If you have under $10000, they will probably just seize the money.

They can't do that you say? Sure they can. You know why? Cause the cost of hiring a lawyer, taking time off from your job, and fighting "the system" (also corrupt in the US, just look at how the DAs, Judges and Police all share the same building) you will lose $2-10K trying to fight it. And then the cop just has to LIE and say he suspected you.

And if you are carrying over 10K, beware. The majority of our USD carries traces of cocaine on it, for various reasons. You have no cocaine in your possession? So what! The money indicates in the recent past you were handling drugs.

[BadMan]

here's two cases I know of personally. Both guys had spotless criminal records, nothing more than minor traffic violations.

A Drug Dealer, again with a spotless record. He was never with in a mile of his Drugs. Always paid someone else to do his dirty work. Was driving down I-10 not all that far from the Mexican border. He's pulled over and they find $45,000 in cash in his car. He got 3 1/2 years with the Fed's. In both cases they "Rolled" for lighter sentences by the way.

Did you forget YOU volunteered this information, effectively going off topic. Now maybe I misunderstood your intimate knowledge of this drug dealers work habits, schemes, prosecutions and other legal troubles, as you knowing this person as you stated " personally ". But I am sure you can see why. So if they aren't your friends, you must watch a hell of alot of CourtTV.

So give it a rest, or did I hit a nerve? ;)

Bad

[Exon123]

Jackson,

I'm not going to stand for CockSuckers mixing my name up with Drugs and You'd better do something about it.

Exon

[BadMan]

The truth hurts doesn't it.

Exon

by the way I don't have any friends that deal drugs and don't ever accuse me of that again.

Exon

Yes, by the sound of your pathetic plea, it really does. So go pimp some hookers or go do that " shit " you keep telling everyone you do for a living. Maybe you can get another chance at eyeballing 800K;)

Bad

[BadMan]

I must have hit a sensitive nerve of BadBoy reading his last post. The truth hurts doesn't it. Exon

Yeah, that nerve is called REASON, something you seem to have lost the capacity to do. I would probably blame it on the old age. So I can't really tell you to grow up can I? But you can try to act your age.

Go pimp some prostitutes or something? Or are they just " friends "?

Miss me with that shit,

Bad

[Exon123]

I must have hit a sensitive nerve of BadBoy reading his last post.

The truth hurts doesn't it.

Exon

[BadMan]

Concerning ''Links''--anyone can search and find support for any loco idea that he may savor. GOOD Sidney

So I will leave it at that.

Bad.

Argentina requests arrest of Venezuelan money courier. Quoting court sources, Télam said that the judge rejected a request by Antonini Wilson to be exempted from possibly going to jail pending investigation. Antonini Wilson left for Uruguay soon after Argentine authorities seized the money from him after his arrival early last week and a prosecutor expressed suspicion that he may have left for Bolivia. He arrived while Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez was paying a visit to Argentina. The Venezuelan government said that it was "irregular" that employees from the Venezuelan state-run PDVSA oil company were on the flight that brought Antonini Wilson to Buenos Aires. Argentina has demanded a "gesture" from Venezuela in connection with the case and the vice-president of the Argentine branch of PDVSA Diego Uzcategui Matheus — who allegedly put Antonini Wilson on the charter flight — was fired as a consequence. Chávez is a close ally of President Néstor Kirchner. (Herald staff with Télam) Exon

Oh wait maybe this data agrees with your overall premise so maybe we won't discard it outright just yet.;)

Bad

[BadMan]

BadBoy is getting dementia, he actually thinks that the $800,000 is no big deal and its going to blow over in the middle of a Presidential campain.

He also thinks if your pulled over and they find $800,000 in your car here in the US everything cool and they'll wave you right on threw.

I say "Hide and Watch" BadBoy your about to learn some of the facts of life.

And finally grow up and quit being so obsessive about things you know nothing about.

Exon

Why don't you act your age Exon, all one hundred years of it. I think that this will not affect Kirchners presidential race as much as other do, period. It is being blown out of proportion by those who stand to benifit from it being blown out of proportion.

I said very clearly, If you are caught in the US with money and you can account for it legally, carrying 800k in itself is not a crime. You can try to twist things all you want but my words were posted in plain english.

You are the stupid ass that brought up your so called " drug dealing " friends. Now I don't need to watch anything since I already know how it will turn out. But you can " Hide all you want " But I don't think that will do you any good. And waste your time watching this political charade all you want, but if your choices are between hiding you degenerate pimping old ass or watching this I would suggest you focus on hiding.

I am sure pimping hookers isn't illegal in the US, but I guess that's why you come to Argentina, right?

AGAIN, miss me with that shit. You're old pimpin' ass needs to get off it allready I stopped talking to you like a day ago. Now, whose obsessing?

Bad

[Exon123]

Argentina requests arrest of Venezuelan money courier.

Quoting court sources, Télam said that the judge rejected a request by Antonini Wilson to be exempted from possibly going to jail pending investigation.

Antonini Wilson left for Uruguay soon after Argentine authorities seized the money from him after his arrival early last week and a prosecutor expressed suspicion that he may have left for Bolivia. He arrived while Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez was paying a visit to Argentina.

The Venezuelan government said that it was "irregular" that employees from the Venezuelan state-run PDVSA oil company were on the flight that brought Antonini Wilson to Buenos Aires. Argentina has demanded a "gesture" from Venezuela in connection with the case and the vice-president of the Argentine branch of PDVSA Diego Uzcategui Matheus — who allegedly put Antonini Wilson on the charter flight — was fired as a consequence.

Chávez is a close ally of President Néstor Kirchner.

(Herald staff with Télam)

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Exon

[Exon123]

Badboy,

Not to take sides in the battle for supremacy between you and "Sidney", but giving a laundry lists of sources and factual information about a corruption scandal that happened between the UK and Saudi Arabia has absolutely nothing to do with the Argentine Economy or the current scandal involving the $800k. Everyone knows the USA and the UK have been propping up the House of Saud ever since WWII in order to get them to keep oil supplies flowing, and in the case of the USA, keep selling that oil only in dollars.

The relevant point in regards to this scandal and its effect on the Argentina economy is that it just further reinforces the vibe that has become accepted worldwide: the Argentine society and political institutions are so corrupt to the point of saturation that they can never be trusted. This is a critical election year and this scandal will not be swept under the carpet; in order to look less like a banana republic, the Argentine judicial system will investigate this matter and someone will be caught with dirty hands. This scandal, along with the Felisa Miceli unexplained cash in the bathroom affair, is a revealing display of the disgracefulness of the Argentine system. These scandals do have a detrimental effect on the economy; demand for Argentine bonds will decrease (they welched once and they will do it again) the Pesos will inevitably slide (4-1 coming to a Casa de Cambio near you) which will make it harder for the government to service its existing debt and wipe out the purchasing power of the people.

Suerte,

Dirk Diggler

Thank You Dirk, another voice of reason.

The subject was Argentina not some Saudi oil scam involving a bunch of arms that both sides benifit from.

And the Saudi's have been doing that shit for years, thats the way they do business.

BadBoy is getting dementia, he actually thinks that the $800,000 is no big deal and its going to blow over in the middle of a Presidential campain.

He also thinks if your pulled over and they find $800,000 in your car here in the US everything cool and they'll wave you right on threw.

And of course the Argentine Judge putting out a world wide arrest warrant for the "Bag Man" is just a joke and means nothing. He can return to Florida and everything cool.

And of course our authorities here in the USA won't do anything since its not illegal to have $800,000 in cash and the story makes the New York Times.

I say "Hide and Watch" BadBoy your about to learn some of the facts of life.

And finally grow up and quit being so obsessive about things you know nothing about.

Exon