World Cup 2010

[Rev BS]

[QUOTE=Jackjack1]

Not a pissing contest Black, but I've met Pele and Maradona and was lucky to see them both perform. Pele, by comparison is by far the most amazing player to ever play the game. Most soccer moves to this day are attributed to him, including the Bicycle kick, which some argue was created by someone else yet popularized by Pele. Pele had and still has the presence of a superstar, he had his flamboyant moments but nothing compared to the embarrassing goob that Maradona has become. Maradona was highly criticized by his own people who asserted that he was not the right man for the job. Was Argentina's success due to the raw talent of the team, or was it Maradona's doing. I think it was the former reason.

Again, all-in-all, no comparison.

Jack

He did not last as long, but Maradona was just amazing as Pele. I agree with you all the other points. The statue is deserving as a Argentine soccer player who was one of the best of all time.

Remember, athletes get better as the decades go by. Today, the defenders are just as athletic as the offensive players. Not so, in Pele's days.

[Schmoj]

Was Argentina's success due to the raw talent of the team, or was it Maradona's doing. I think it was the former reason.

Don't forget, this was a team that was on the verge of not qualifying. I could have coached this team as far as they went. When the time came that a true manager was needed, they lost 4-0.

4-0, due to piss poor defense which was the criticism of Maradona's choices all along. We were just bamboozled for a while, but Argentina had the easiest group of all. And then Mexico, the great under achiever.

[Jackjack1]

[QUOTE=Black Shirt]

In the 1986 world cup Maradona scored the best goal I have ever seen in a world cup match, was voted player of the tournament and won the world cup with Argentina.

In my very humble opinion the best footballer that there has ever been. So yes a national statue is the least he deserves.

If he was English. He would now be Sir Diego Armando Maradona.[/ QUOTE.

On football merits, he definitely deserve a statue. But the timing is bizzare. Best footballer of all time? It is hard to compare, but Pele's career is far more expansive and his impact in the game much more significant. Pele is Arnold Palmer, and Maradona is Jack Nicklaus in my mind.

Not a pissing contest Black, but I've met Pele and Maradona and was lucky to see them both perform. Pele, by comparison is by far the most amazing player to ever play the game. Most soccer moves to this day are attributed to him, including the Bicycle kick, which some argue was created by someone else yet popularized by Pele. Pele had and still has the presence of a superstar, he had his flamboyant moments but nothing compared to the embarrassing goob that Maradona has become. Maradona was highly criticized by his own people who asserted that he was not the right man for the job. Was Argentina's success due to the raw talent of the team, or was it Maradona's doing. I think it was the former reason.

Again, all-in-all, no comparison.

Jack

[Rev BS]

In the 1986 world cup Maradona scored the best goal I have ever seen in a world cup match, was voted player of the tournament and won the world cup with Argentina.

In my very humble opinion the best footballer that there has ever been. So yes a national statue is the least he deserves.

If he was English. He would now be Sir Diego Armando Maradona.

On football merits, he definitely deserve a statue. But the timing is bizzare. Best footballer of all time? It is hard to compare, but Pele's career is far more expansive and his impact in the game much more significant. Pele is Arnold Palmer, and Maradona is Jack Nicklaus in my mind.

[Rev BS]

If you understand the Argentinian state of mind, any hero / heroine has to be tragic figure. His story is not quite finish yet, but the clamor for a statue shows the desperate need for people to forget the tragedy of their everyday life. Their illusion of minor success in the World Cup camouflage the fact that Maradona did not use key players he had at his disposal and that Argentina was actually a strong favorite to win it all. Hopefully, we will get a Broadway musical out of it.

[Master J]

In the 1986 world cup Maradona scored the best goal I have ever seen in a world cup match, was voted player of the tournament and won the world cup with Argentina.

In my very humble opinion the best footballer that there has ever been. So yes a national statue is the least he deserves.

If he was English. He would now be Sir Diego Armando Maradona.

Better than Pele? Does his illegal activities influence the decision?

[Shagger123]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk-kXwjASEE

I think its Peter Reid and Steve Hodge (Ex Spurs) who Maradona breezes past 1st, well if you know your football these where 2 of the slowest players around, so I don't think there was any chance of a tackle.

I 1st had the privilege of seeing him live in 1980 at Wembley, I came away from that game which I think England won 3-1 knowing I had seen a truely world class player.

This coming week on English tv is a documentry about him, where a tv crew followed him for 3 years, he talks about his drug problems, so its warts and all should be interesting.

It was Reid, Butcher, Fenwick that he beat. It may be Hodge at the begining next to Reid. If you remember this England team that acquited itself very well in the last 16\QF of the 86WC was reconstructed after Brian Robson got injured and Ray Wilkins got sent off in the previous games that did not go particularly well. A similar thing happened in 1990 - we didn't start out well - lost Brian Robson to injury, needed a last group game victory over Egypt to assure qualification. Bobby Robson shook the team up, changed formations with Mark Hughes playing as sweeper, Lineker up front on his own with Beardsley just off him. It worked a charm and although I am generally very critical of England we genuinly could have won that one.

Back to the 2010 WC. England were crap, we're an average side, no more, no less - about as good as USA\Mexico etc. Argentina played well against weak and less than average teams and then failed miserably at their first real test. They performed as their qualification campaign suggested. It should be a decent final, I hope Spain pull it off - they have some fantastic unslefish players that play well together as a team and show massive amounts of patience, unlike England where everyone is trying to win it with one swing of the boot.

[Schmoj]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk-kXwjASEE

This coming week on English tv is a documentry about him, where a tv crew followed him for 3 years, he talks about his drug problems, so its warts and all should be interesting.

I hope they followed him to Cocodrillo!

[Flexible Horn]

They didn't want to challenge him, miss, and be made a fool of. So they ended up looking like fools anyway!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk-kXwjASEE

I think its Peter Reid and Steve Hodge (Ex Spurs) who Maradona breezes past 1st, well if you know your football these where 2 of the slowest players around, so I don't think there was any chance of a tackle.

I 1st had the privilege of seeing him live in 1980 at Wembley, I came away from that game which I think England won 3-1 knowing I had seen a truely world class player.

This coming week on English tv is a documentry about him, where a tv crew followed him for 3 years, he talks about his drug problems, so its warts and all should be interesting.

[El Perro]

Yes, it was a fantastic goal although the English defending, (as usual) was crap. Maradona breezed past Peter Reid, Terry Butcher completely unchallenged. Of course, we can say, maybe rightly, that that this was because of his skill, ability to wrong foot defenders or just their shear fear of him.

They didn't want to challenge him, miss, and be made a fool of. So they ended up looking like fools anyway!

[Shagger123]

In the 1986 world cup Maradona scored the best goal I have ever seen in a world cup match, was voted player of the tournament and won the world cup with Argentina.

In my very humble opinion the best footballer that there has ever been. So yes a national statue is the least he deserves.

If he was English. He would now be Sir Diego Armando Maradona.

Yes, it was a fantastic goal although the English defending, (as usual) was crap. Maradona breezed past Peter Reid, Terry Butcher completely unchallenged. Of course, we can say, maybe rightly, that that this was because of his skill, ability to wrong foot defenders or just their shear fear of him.

In the 86 world cup he was absolutely fantastic, the goal against Belguim also was out of this world, and he pretty much made Argentina unbeatable. Not sure if I would put him as the absolute best footballer of all time, definitely top 3 in there with Pele of course, and Cruyff.

[Flexible Horn]

I caught this article. Does Maradona really deserve a national statue?

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-c...cc=5901&ver=us

In the 1986 world cup Maradona scored the best goal I have ever seen in a world cup match, was voted player of the tournament and won the world cup with Argentina.

In my very humble opinion the best footballer that there has ever been. So yes a national statue is the least he deserves.

If he was English. He would now be Sir Diego Armando Maradona.

[Rev BS]

Here here! What an asshole he is. Between he and diving, whining Robben, I have two good reasons to root for Spain. Sneijder can be a bit of a shitbird too.

I booked a trip a week ago to Montevideo, hoping against hope that I would be there to see Uruguay in the final. Unfortunately, it'll be the third place match Saturday. So, I'll see both matches in Montevideo. Go Spain!

Great, have a good time, especially with the chicas. I was in Milan when Inter won the Champions League in May, it was fun celebrating when a whole city is overjoy.

[El Perro]

Come on, just cheer for a good game. Now to the topic of Mark von Bommel, the Dutch defender who is the ultimate in the category of "ugly footballer". In the Guardian, he was described as one who would chop down his granny if she was anywhere near the ball. The fact that he has only 1 yellow card (for dissent, hahaha) is ludicrous. I would like him to be verbally warn early on and yellow carded subsequently. Anyway who has play soccer hate this type of player who is all about knocking, pushing and holding you rather than going for the ball.

Here here! What an asshole he is. Between he and diving, whining Robben, I have two good reasons to root for Spain. Sneijder can be a bit of a shitbird too.

I booked a trip a week ago to Montevideo, hoping against hope that I would be there to see Uruguay in the final. Unfortunately, it'll be the third place match Saturday. So, I'll see both matches in Montevideo. Go Spain!

[Rev BS]

I don't wanna talk about it. Nobody to root for here.

Come on, just cheer for a good game. Now to the topic of Mark von Bommel, the Dutch defender who is the ultimate in the category of "ugly footballer". In the Guardian, he was described as one who would chop down his granny if she was anywhere near the ball. The fact that he has only 1 yellow card (for dissent, hahaha) is ludicrous. I would like him to be verbally warn early on and yellow carded subsequently. Anyway who has play soccer hate this type of player who is all about knocking, pushing and holding you rather than going for the ball.