American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[Rev BS]

Actually, VERY different from the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was passed as a bipartisan measure with 80% Republican support. Medicare is a much better analogy and it to was a bipartisan measure with 50% Republican support and support of a sound majority of the American public.

ObamaCare was a rabidly partisan measure that had absolutely 0% Republican support and lacked the support of the American people. Today, it continues to be opposed by an overwhelming majority of the American people. The last CBS News poll show Americans oppose ObamaCare 54% to 36%.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to the catastrophic disruptions that have been occurring. Companies left and right (including liberal governments and universities) have been changing jobs to part-time are reducing all part-time jobs to below 30 hours. We haven't even begun to see the effects of increased mandates that will sky-rocket company's insurance premiums. Many companies will seriously look to drop insurance and pay the penalties.

Yet, you could be wrong. Nobody really knows. Too much shouting and fear-mongering to allow for a good debate. Most people agree we need medical reform, but there has been zero initiatives from across the aisle. 70% of bankruptcies comes from medical outcomes. So we know we have a broken system. Vested interests have strong-arm Congress into inaction. But most opposition have come because it is an Obama plan, that's it. They are so afraid of him achieving any kind of success. Very sad.

I happen to have one of the best medical coverage but I never get to use it as I live overseas. $5 co-pay for all visits, procedures, prescription, etc. Been paying out of pocket for minor problems and dental work. All I can say, it must be scary feeling not to have any insurance.

[Spirit Rider]

And finally, we have come to the edge of the cliff, and desperation is setting in upon the opponents of ObamaCare. Not too different to the Civil Rights of 1964. We have a core of people who will have to be drag screaming and kicking into an new era. I often wonder how the Chinese Cultural Revolution can distort & controlled the mindset of what seem to normal and reasonable people. And here we are in 2013, history repeats itself.

Is ObamaCare perfect, no. Of course, it can be improve as the system work it's kinks out. Did Obama took advantage of Congress to pass the law, of course, he is not stupid! I am just watching Hannity on Fox, and the ranting and claims are just outrageous. Most of the audience seem to be educated, have full time jobs, or within Medicare in the near future. I don't think any of them are even going to be affected, they will be cover by their jobs or even able to afford to buy individually. I see irrational fear among the audience, 90% of them, Whites. Hannity, the shameless manipulator of disinformation and fear while raking in the millions. Only in America.

Actually, VERY different from the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which was passed as a bipartisan measure with 80% Republican support. Medicare is a much better analogy and it to was a bipartisan measure with 50% Republican support and support of a sound majority of the American public.

ObamaCare was a rabidly partisan measure that had absolutely 0% Republican support and lacked the support of the American people. Today, it continues to be opposed by an overwhelming majority of the American people. The last CBS News poll show Americans oppose ObamaCare 54% to 36%.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to the catastrophic disruptions that have been occurring. Companies left and right (including liberal governments and universities) have been changing jobs to part-time are reducing all part-time jobs to below 30 hours. We haven't even begun to see the effects of increased mandates that will sky-rocket company's insurance premiums. Many companies will seriously look to drop insurance and pay the penalties.

[WorldTravel69]

Don't you love all those Indian Casinos?

The unemployment started under Bush.

Oh, how we forget!

Black Shirt, be careful what you wish for. You might get it. Since Obama took office the number of unemployed has skyrocketed, the number of people on Food Stamps has skyrocketed, the number of people on Welfare has increased considerably and now we want Government HealthCare ie ObamaCare.

Any person who believes he will be better off and prosper with the government taking care of him should take a good look at the last group of people the government "took care of", Native Americans.

Nuf said.

[Member #4112]

Black Shirt, be careful what you wish for. You might get it. Since Obama took office the number of unemployed has skyrocketed, the number of people on Food Stamps has skyrocketed, the number of people on Welfare has increased considerably and now we want Government HealthCare ie ObamaCare.

Any person who believes he will be better off and prosper with the government taking care of him should take a good look at the last group of people the government "took care of", Native Americans.

Nuf said.

[Rev BS]

And finally, we have come to the edge of the cliff, and desperation is setting in upon the opponents of ObamaCare. Not too different to the Civil Rights of 1964. We have a core of people who will have to be drag screaming and kicking into an new era. I often wonder how the Chinese Cultural Revolution can distort & controlled the mindset of what seem to normal and reasonable people. And here we are in 2013, history repeats itself.

Is ObamaCare perfect, no. Of course, it can be improve as the system work it's kinks out. Did Obama took advantage of Congress to pass the law, of course, he is not stupid! I am just watching Hannity on Fox, and the ranting and claims are just outrageous. Most of the audience seem to be educated, have full time jobs, or within Medicare in the near future. I don't think any of them are even going to be affected, they will be cover by their jobs or even able to afford to buy individually. I see irrational fear among the audience, 90% of them, Whites. Hannity, the shameless manipulator of disinformation and fear while raking in the millions. Only in America.

[WorldTravel69]

An interesting article on Lifesaving options.

[Member #4112]

BlackShirt, Bill Clinton as "first lady" is to horrible to even think about. Running around the White House feeling up the female staff and "starching" their clothing for them.

They would need to replace the desk chair in the oval office for a double wide as well.

I think if the Republican's can come up with a young viable candidate it should be an interesting election cycle which the Republican's should win. Obama will be leaving such a mess by the end of his term folks will be looking for leadership and let's face it Hillary and Bill by then will be has beens, I hope.

Never under estimate Hillary, but she was the anointed one for the 2008 election and got her ass kicked by a young upstart with little experience and a slick tongue. Democrats are not very forgiving of losers, so we will see.

[Rev BS]

Obama met with Hilary Clinton for lunch, and the begging question is, did they talk about 2016? Now, you can draw your own conclusions. But like an athlete aiming for the Olympics, you really need to start your preparations early. Physically, which she is doing right by resigning that exhaustive job of Secretary of State. And then doing the rounds of maintaining her profile in the public eye, being current and relevant, and integrating among the adoring faithful supporters and donors. Perhaps, another book? Her ambition to be president is quite extraordinary, the knocks and sacrifices that she has taken in the personal and public arenas is no less than many Olympic gold medal winners.

Will she be a formidable candidate? I think I can hear the knees knocking and trembling already across the aisle. Young gunslingers like Rubio & Cruz might think they are the fastest guns in the west, but will they survive High Noon. With Bill Clinton hovering by her side, she could win with Barbara Streisand as her VP. Or maybe, by then, Sarah Palin might have switch sides.

[Member #4112]

Here's what we know about Doppel:
He's failed to provide a concrete example of how Obama hurt his business.
He's provided information that allows a calculation of saving approximately $19,400 in his taxes over 2011-12, due to tax legislation Obama signed.

Doppel would like to hide behind the facade of "My business is too complicated for you to understand, take my word for it." But an income and payroll tax calculation is a simple matter of multiplication. His lack of appreciation for the help he has received is astounding.

Don't you ever get tired of being wrong Esten?

First your calculations are wrong, remember the $200 K break point? Second, just because you plug a percentage into a number does not make your answer correct or even relevant. I never said my financials were too complicated, I said you don't know what you are talking about since you don't even know what they are.

I could say Esten save $100 K under Obama's "tax cuts" in addition to another $100 K in direct government benefits. But that does not make the statement true as I have no real information about Esten. Even if the $250 K number were still accurate, you don't know the composition or source of the funds.

Esten, you are like the child who asks the same stupid question over and over. Go stand in the corner, your in time out.

As far as Wal-Mart and mom & pop businesses, Wal-Mart delivers more products at lower cost than their competition that's just the way it is unless your a liberal and want to control everything for everyone's "best interest". I think we are back at the "Liberal Elite" discussion.

What out of the corner already?

[Esten]

Here's an example of how capitalism hurts small business.

New Study: Wal-Mart Means Fewer Jobs, Less Small Businesses, More Burden on Taxpayers
http://pubadvocate.nyc.gov/news/2011...rden-taxpayers

Some interesting findings:
- Wal-Mart store openings kill three local jobs for every two they create by reducing retail employment by an average of 2.7 percent in every county they enter.
- Chain stores, like Wal-Mart send most of their revenues out of the community, while local businesses keep more consumer dollars in local economy: for every $100 spent in locally owned businesses, $68 stayed in the local economy while chain stores only left $43 to re-circulate locally.

[Esten]

All your Obama blame is getting real tired, Doppel. Like we can believe a Serial Obama Denigrator will give a fair assessment of Obama's impact on their business. Right! LOL You simply don't have much credibility here, Doppel. I suggest you look deeper into how other factors, including capitalism itself, have affected small business in the US. Here's some more reading.

Obama's 18 small business tax cuts - explained
http://money.cnn.com/2012/09/24/smal...uts/index.html

Here's what we know about Doppel:
He's failed to provide a concrete example of how Obama hurt his business.
He's provided information that allows a calculation of saving approximately $19,400 in his taxes over 2011-12, due to tax legislation Obama signed.

Doppel would like to hide behind the facade of "My business is too complicated for you to understand, take my word for it." But an income and payroll tax calculation is a simple matter of multiplication. His lack of appreciation for the help he has received is astounding.

[Member #4112]

I agree with Esten regarding Obama Derangement Syndrome except I would submit it is the liberal state of mind calling black white, no change in rates a "cut" or "saved from a raise" and ignoring true economic facts.

Quite frankly Esten, Obama did not save me a dime. When taken in total his polices and regulations were more costly and reduced the bottom line of many of my clients as well as my own. Sorry Esten, just because you keep saying it does not make it true. You simply don't know what you are talking about.

I have a great idea Esten, as you seem to be so tuned in on everyone's financial status why don't you publish your financials, full tax return with all schedules and supplements, as well as you CV to show us what a great guy you are and the depth of your infinite knowledge so we may all tremble before your great intellect?

By the way your boy sounded really whiny yesterday trotting out all the same old campaign slogans and again blaming Bush.

[Esten]

Your know the jihadists dosn't need much to get stirred up. Just mentioned America, and the froth & hate starts to flow. So it is with the name Obama, it unleashes name-calling like Evil and Satan. Notice the similarities.

It's called Obama Derangement Syndrome (ODS).

[Esten]

He wants to screw over the successful small businessman,

Yeah, I guess that's why Obama signed legislation that saved small businessmen like Doppel tens of thousands of dollars.

Thank you President Obama. Thank you for taxing my income at 43.4%. While I also pay state and local taxes amounting to an additional 15% of my income, the federal taxes warm my heart, because I'm giving and receiving nothing in return. This has caused me to achieve true enlightenment. Thank you for all the government forms that I enjoy filling out. Thank you for the tens of thousands of pages of federal regulations and laws, especially the senseless ones and the ones that can send me away to jail for a year or two if I don't know about them, for they keep me excited and at my sharpest. Thank you dear President, for you bend me over and you fuck me in the ass, and I love you for it.

Tiny sounds more like Whiny.

The 43.4% figure is presumably from adding the 39.6% top income tax rate to the 3.8% Medicare surtax on investment income in PPACA. But these rates don't kick in until 400K and 200K, respectively. Also, these are different types of income. While the incomes are combined to determine if the surtax applies, the tax rates are not additive. For example the top dividend tax rate is 20%; adding the 3.8% surtax (for high incomes only) gives a top rate of 23.8%.

Tiny, could you please explain how you pay a 43.4% tax rate. Thanks

[Esten]

I'm wasting my breath / typing on a person who deems maintaining current tax rates is a "cut".

I love this topic Doppel. It's the perfect example of Republican bullshit! How small business owners like yourself actually benefitted from Obama's tax legislation.

Forget about semantics and definitions of "tax cuts". Just tell us this: How much more in taxes would you have paid over 2011-12 without the legislation Obama signed?