American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[Tres3]

New York City Undercover Investigation: Most Private Sellers Agreed To Sell Firearm To Someone Who Said They Couldn't Pass A Background Check. In an investigation of 10 websites in 14 states that allow unlicensed sellers to list firearms for sale, undercover investigators working for the City of New York found that 77 out of 125 sellers agreed to go forward with a firearm sale after the purchaser said that he could not pass a background check. [CityofNewYork,December2011]

http://www.mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2013/04/11/seven-media-myths-about-the-gun-background-chec/193588

See Tres, unlike you (in the Zimmerman thread), I can back up what I post when asked.

There are over twelve MILLION people living in the New York metropolitan area and you are trying to prove a point by citing a single undercover sting operation involving 125 individuals that was reported by a questionable media source. Give us all a break and just go away. BTW if you read the Zimmerman thread carefully, you will find that I never purported to give factual information. All I said, many times over, was that Zimmerman was stupid, and I will stand by that opinion.

It is past your bedtime little boy. You should stop trying to play with grown ups.

Tres3

[El Perro]

Looking on Ranker web site I was very surprised that President Obama only ranks 19th in the list of all time great American presidents.

http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-li...-best-to-worst

President Obama has unveiled a plan to address gun violence in the nation. The initiative consists of 23 executive actions and three presidential memoranda, most of which will require congressional approval.

Obama has also tackled many other difficult issues.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mag...5.php?page=all

These have been exceptionally difficult times during his presidency but he has shown tremendous leadership skills.

I feel in time Mr Obama will go down as one of Americas greatest presidents surely making the top 3 list.

Come visit your many Brit brothers in Bangkok and I'll buy you a beer or ten. Cheers!

[Esten]

Did You Make That Up?

New York City Undercover Investigation: Most Private Sellers Agreed To Sell Firearm To Someone Who Said They Couldn't Pass A Background Check. In an investigation of 10 websites in 14 states that allow unlicensed sellers to list firearms for sale, undercover investigators working for the City of New York found that 77 out of 125 sellers agreed to go forward with a firearm sale after the purchaser said that he could not pass a background check. [CityofNewYork,December2011]

http://www.mediamatters.org/mobile/research/2013/04/11/seven-media-myths-about-the-gun-background-chec/193588

See Tres, unlike you (in the Zimmerman thread), I can back up what I post when asked.

[Member #4112]

In other words, "before criticizing someone, walk a mile in his shoes".

But go ahead, laugh all you can. Life is short.

I would love to but I don't think I could play that much golf, take that many vacations (even if it is on the tax payer's dime), or play small ball to the point the USA became the laughing stock of the civilized world.

[Silver Star]

For sure the greatest in increasing national debt! Blows Reagan / Bush right out of the water!

Looking on Ranker web site I was very surprised that President Obama only ranks 19th in the list of all time great American presidents.

http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-li...-best-to-worst

President Obama has unveiled a plan to address gun violence in the nation. The initiative consists of 23 executive actions and three presidential memoranda, most of which will require congressional approval.

Obama has also tackled many other difficult issues.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mag...5.php?page=all

These have been exceptionally difficult times during his presidency but he has shown tremendous leadership skills.

I feel in time Mr Obama will go down as one of Americas greatest presidents surely making the top 3 list.

[Jackson]

This is the one that made me laugh.

...but he has shown tremendous leadership skills.

[Rev BS]

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! HaHa!

In other words, "before criticizing someone, walk a mile in his shoes".

But go ahead, laugh all you can. Life is short.

[Tiny12]

I feel in time Mr Obama will go down as one of Americas greatest presidents surely making the top 3 list.

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! HaHa!

[Member #4112]

I hope that was sarcasm.

[Flexible Horn]

Looking on Ranker web site I was very surprised that President Obama only ranks 19th in the list of all time great American presidents.

http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-li...-best-to-worst

President Obama has unveiled a plan to address gun violence in the nation. The initiative consists of 23 executive actions and three presidential memoranda, most of which will require congressional approval.

Obama has also tackled many other difficult issues.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mag...5.php?page=all

These have been exceptionally difficult times during his presidency but he has shown tremendous leadership skills.

I feel in time Mr Obama will go down as one of Americas greatest presidents surely making the top 3 list.

[WorldTravel69]

It is so hard to Laugh about this Congress.

[Tres3]

And BTW, opening NICS to individual sellers on a voluntary basis has questionable merit, because the data also shows that most private sellers will agree to sell guns to people who say they can't pass a background check.

What planet did you get this fantasy from?

Tres3.

[Esten]

Reid can't bring a new bill to the floor, without overcoming a virtually-gauranteed Republican filibuster. You remember the big flap over this last time. Most Republican senators voted against even allowing a debate and vote. So, any pretense that Republicans were ever serious about reducing gun violence is largely false. No doubt, Reid knows the calculus, and believes that for some Republican senators, a vote on background checks is going to be less politically risky than a vote to bring gun control legislation to the floor a second time.

Don't forget the expanded background checks were to prevent both criminals and the mentally unstable from being able to purchase guns. Yet somehow, a small minority of people (and their lobby) have endless excuses to justify keeping loopholes that facilitate this. For example, "But it's only 20% of gun sales". How about, it's 100% of the sales where criminals and the mentally unstable purchase guns directly?! Certainly, expanded background checks won't put a complete stop to guns getting into the wrong hands. But the data shows it is an effective measure to reduce the occurence. And BTW, opening NICS to individual sellers on a voluntary basis has questionable merit, because the data also shows that most private sellers will agree to sell guns to people who say they can't pass a background check. The background check has to be mandatory, and enforced.

The NRA counter proposals only exist as a facade to fool people into thinking they care. And here's what they all have in common: They all maintain or expand gun sales.

[Punter 127]

Leave it to an NRA apologist to call facts "tactics". It is a fact that the gun lobby used fear (of losing freedom) to mislead and manipulate the discussion on gun control legislation earlier this year.

As if the left didn't use fear and emotion to try and get said legislation passed.

What's sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander.

So when the gun lobby lied about the legislation creating a national gun registry, that was Obama's fault I suppose.

I don't speak for the gun lobby, but I will provide some thoughts that may enable the readers to surmise why someone would say something like that. But before I do I want to point out that you yourself are not exactly standing on any moral high ground of truthfulness, nor does Obama!

Punter knows very well, Reid strategically voted against the legislation and pulled it when the background check amendment didn't get 60 votes, so he could bring it to the floor again in the future and get the background check legislation passed.

Please don't speak for me, I don't know any such thing. To my knowledge there is no double jeopardy rule here, they can reintroduce carbon copy legislation at anytime, and Reid can get it to the floor for a vote.

More funding for mental health efforts is good, and would be supported along with expanding background checks. On it's own, it's pretty much a deflection to spare gun owners from having to do anything. Why spend taxpayer money on mental health funding, in the hopes of preventing crazy people from killing, but in the meantime still leave open loopholes that allow them to buy a gun without a background check? It doesn't make any sense.

Approximately eighty percent of all gun sale are covered by the current background check system. (the exact number is unknown) So lets see if I understand you, it makes sense to spend taxpayer money to cover twenty percent or less of gun sale with background checks, which most experts say will have very little effect on crime. But it doesn't make sense to spend taxpayer money for mental health funding for eighty percent of gun sales.

That's just tripe!

So why the continued resistance to expanding background checks, that 90% of Americans supported ?

I'm glad you put that in past tense. The way the current background check system works the buyer fills out form 4473 and the dealers enters that form into the NICS, and then the sale's approved or denied, the government is required to destroy their copy of the form the next day, but the dealer must keep up to 20 years of records on gun purchases. The ATF can--and often does--check those records whenever they want with regular and surprise visits. They can come in, look at those records, and figure out who has and hasn't purchased a gun during the last 20 years, that is a de facto registry.

How would expanded checks be enforced, how would the government know that I'm not selling a gun to my neighbor nor is my neighbor selling a gun to me without a gun registry? They have to know where the guns are to make it work.

Other problems with expanded background checks is only dealers have access to NICS and I didn't see any provision to require dealers run checks for individual sales nor do I see any incentive for the dealer. I also didn't see any provision to allow access to the system by individuals. This would kill secondary gun sales and eventually allow the government to know where every gun is sitting and where every gun owner lives. And that appears to be the end game.

It is currently illegal to knowingly sell a gun to someone who can't legally own a gun. I would support opening NICS to individuals on a voluntary bases so sellers can verify that buyers are legally able to buy a gun, as it stands now individuals can't run a check even if they want to.

[Rev BS]

A Sanity test might help.

Very dangerous, it's possible that more than 50 per cent might fail the test.