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07-29-09 01:57 #17
Posts: 552
Venues: 8Originally Posted by SteveC
Well-corrected and not at all pedantic :)
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07-29-09 00:41 #16
Posts: 247Languages, not dialects!
Originally Posted by El Queso
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07-28-09 23:59 #15
Posts: 552
Venues: 8Originally Posted by Iamzonzon
The Argentinos call their dialect Castellano, but it is as far from what the Castillans speak as Colombian spanish is from Castellano (maybe more so) If you speak any form of "international" spanish, you will probably be as well off as you were in Colombia, depending on how much of an accent you have.
The more you sound like an American trying to speak spanish, pronouncing the letters as if they were english words, the harder anyone who speaks any form of Spanish as their native language will have understanding you, here included.
There are some different words. "Fresa" = strawberry in many parts of the spanish-speaking world, but here (and in large parts of this region of SA at least) the word is "frutilla". But the Argentinos will for the most part know what a fresa is.
The biggest problem for understanding what they say to you here will be dealing with sounds that in normal spanish make the "y" sound. In many other countries, it's pronounced either as ""y" (as in "yes", not "very") or with a "j" sound, depending on where you are and sometimes the word. Here, it is a very pronounced "sh" sound and can make understanding words a bit difficult at times. "Yo" = "sho", "alla" = "asha", etc. Sometimes when they are talking fast the "sh" really flies.
But for the most part if you use "y" or "j" they will understand.
Also, they use "vos" here in place of "tu" and sometimes "usted." They still understand "tu" and "usted" but you may wonder at first what on earth "vos" is.
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07-28-09 18:12 #14
Posts: 73Gentlemen Thanks
I must say that I was able to get a sense (not a feel) of Argentina from your posts.
Thanks.
I guess the little Colombiano Espaniol I picked up will help, yet Castillo is a little different.
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07-27-09 23:07 #13
Posts: 3040I Agree!
Originally Posted by Moore
Keep a ¨nice ¨ local girl as a girlfriend, work the pros as a hobby and fuck the occasional tourist when you have the chance.
You know, maybe a drunk American or English-Irish pig at the local sports bar, etc.
Girls do grow on trees down here!
TL.
P. S - It's A LOT easier if you speak the language!
Or if you have a resto-bar! That's open. Although closed it still works o. K!
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07-27-09 11:34 #12
Posts: 102Back to the Montevideo Question for Iamzonzon
Originally Posted by Iamzonzon
http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...play.php?f=165
This stuff was a big help to me when I was mongering (or trying to) over there.
I'll just make three points, if you're thinking of going to spend some time there:
1) if the goal is to meet non P4P chicas there as a visiting foreigner with modest Spanish language skills, it MAY be that you will find the average Uruguayan a little less stuck up and materialistic than her Portena counterparts. Uruguyanas are proud of their country, and all that, but they know they are not Brazil nor Argentina, and thus have a much more modest sense of their own relative importance in the world. Some people compare the attitude to one of Canadians vs. Americans, but I don't know about that.
I don't know if you'd find the attitudes there more user friendly than in BA (since I'm only looking for the pros, myself) but you might.
2) In Montevideo, you will find the independent chicas advertising on line as pretty much hit or miss, with maybe a few more misses in that talent pool. What passes for privados are often more like low end night clubs, and are well below BA in quality (and quantity) One exception: StarBene, listed on WT69's list. This is a privado of exceptional quality. It has prices that are about like El Cielo Private on Llarena in BA, but a quality of girls, and a pleasantness of surroundings (especially in the common areas--the bedrooms vary in quality, according to price, believe it or not) also are on par with BA joints like El Cielo. I had a few great sessions there, the best of which, though, ironically, was with a 21 year old Argentine girl named Paola.
3) I personally have come to find the city of Montevideo pretty dreary. It has it's good parts, and good days (and any day that includes a trip to StarBene is a good day!) But all in all, I much prefer the beach scene, out east to Punta Del Este, and its surroundings, in the summer season, to be the highlight of the country. Of course, there you will meet mostly vacationing Argentines! If you do get as far as Punta Del Este, don't miss a visit (or two, or three, or daily) to the Casa De La Nonna (sp?) In Maldonado. Great in-call P4P sex experience, with dozens and dozens of girls all working completely independently, so you can carve out the price, duration, style, and other details of your particular session any way you like!
BTG
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07-27-09 00:08 #11
Posts: 271No Sides
Originally Posted by Master J
I must say though: 1) I think Argentine women can be quite sweet and better in the sack than the average European chick. 2) I fuck pros because I like diversity, even if I'm dating a hot chick.
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07-26-09 16:36 #10
Posts: 266Mr. Moore he has clearly stated my opinions as well. I count the days until I am there in August and believe it is my paradise awaiting me in the future. I have found a majority of the women there very charming and pleasant with some few exceptions. A little show of attention or good manners and they are very appreciative. I really feel alive there and younger!
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07-26-09 16:29 #9
Posts: 1043When I read comments like "all the local girls are losers" and "they just want to scam you out of your money" I suspect the author has had no exposure to regular local girls. He's only met pros in one form or another.
The main reason for this is lack of language skills. You will not be able hook up with local amateurs if you are not conversational in Spanish which is a shame since Argentine women are fantastic. Sexy, elegant and educated especially when compared to American women and very approachable. Most of the girls I dated were from middle-upper barrios of Recoleta / Belgrano / Caballito and were not demanding or bitchy at all. You take them out for dinner / drinks / movie once in a while, make some occasional compliments, and the rest of the time they're fucking your brains out.
If you: 1) can speak the language, 2) aren't a total slob, 3) are wealthy enough to buy an occasional dinner, 4) have reasonable expectations regarding your target age (not more than 30% drop) then you will have no problems. I mean look around at the local guys you're competing with – not too intimidating, actually a boost to your confidence. I'm sure that playing polo and wearing Armani doesn't hurt but it's not necessary. As a foreigner you are interesting enough.
Get out a little, talk to the people in your building / neighborhood, make some local friends, and you will have pussy falling out of the sky before you know it. You will be amazed at how easily you meet women in random situations like at the internet café, waiting in line at the store, whatever. Most of Argentina is an urban environment so you have much more social contact every day (again, if you speak the language).
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07-26-09 16:27 #8
Posts: 552
Venues: 8Iamzonzon, one thing you have to realize about the type of Argentinos you would be seeking is that they think they are the cream of the world.
To have nice clothes (or just about anything nice) is expensive here - the same nice clothes you can get in the States, for example, are 2-3 times more expensive here.
The "middle" class here (what we would consider to be "less advantaged" or even poor [on the upper side] in the States) shops at cheaper places, where the clothes look halfway decent maybe, but don't last a year in many cases. They live as a couple in tiny apartments between 25 and 50 sq meters. With a family maybe 50 to 75 sq meters. They can't afford many nice things in life. They are educated poorly because they couldn't afford the fancy schools that teach half a day in English and the other half in Spanish, which is where real education happens.
Because of this, the more sophisticated people you search for either have money or are from families that have money.
To them, foreigners are well beneath them in many cases (not all) At best, they are not exactly charmed by them, as may be the case in many other parts of the world where the rich are an even smaller class and they crave culture and the exoticness of a foreigner. They can be somewhat zenophobic, but can warm up to foreigners when they get to know them individually.
What these guys are saying about dating locals, therefore, is absolutely true. It can be done, but you have to invest some time and effort to do so. There are not any young (or middle-aged) sophisticated Argentine women falling all over themselves to meet an American. You have to get to know them and prove that you are someone they want to get to know first.
Having said that, many of the locals are very beautiful and in some cases maybe worth the effort. But you will find many that have problems with the truth as well, in many different guises and levels of deception.
I offer this outlook, having lived here now for three years and coming from a situation similar to yours. I'm in my mid-forties. I was married for 20 years in the States, divorced, and met a beautiful, young, poor Paraguayan here, whom I married.
I have local friends as well as ex-pat friends (though many more ex-pats friends, admittedly) I have no doubt that I could meet a local women here and turn that into something if I wanted.
I didn't have experience with trying to date local Argentine women (I go by my friends and acquaintances here who have) but the truth is I don't have a whole lot of interest in women who are so jaded and full of themselves that many "educated" women around the world are tainted with (I. E. Not just here)
I like intelligence; but not selfishness or disingenuousness, which is what you will find here at many of the "higher", or sophisticated, levels of society.
However, if you have the time and desire, you should come on down and experience Buenos Aires if only for the fun. When I first came here, I was enamoured with the place. It was the drag of time living as a local that has made me see some of the shadier sides of life here, but in many ways I prefer living here to the States.
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07-26-09 16:04 #7
Posts: 73Lots of Help so far
(Once again I have to say that the direct, NO BS, input I have received here, together with threads on culture / economics, is 1000 x more helpful than any other resource I have found - THANKS)
Since, this is an orientation thread for me, and others looking for a mixture of fun and real possibliities. What's up with Montevideo? WTF Some reports elsewhere say it is a sleeping jem - you guys seem to be bursting out laughing.
As long as we are at it, I know Rio is well traveled, what is the consensus on the Florianapolis area of Brazil?
Again, thank you for tolerating my newbie questions that have taken us a little off the main subject here. I will not over stay my welcome.
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07-26-09 15:52 #6
Posts: 374Originally Posted by Sidney
LMAO
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07-26-09 14:45 #5
Posts: 1099Originally Posted by Sinistra
I very much agree with your posts and experience. In fact any where in the world to date a non-pro - the foremost requirement is dress up trendy/chic/hip, be fit ( some regular cardiovascular is v v necessary) ,wear smart trendy shoes, expensive watch (Bvalgari is a good option), speak the same language ( to at least 50% level). Having local male buddies is definitely as asset as well.
Without these, success will be purely based on P4P either directly or subtly.
Even if you are 50+, you can pull it off provided the above discussed basics are followed. In addition, extra care regarding keeping in shape, maybe a wig to cover the loss of hair,visit to a cosmetic dental surgeon if required, some witty communication skills, will definitely be helpful.
Lets face the reality. Girls either like to date v rich guys or good looking, smart,trendy, hip, intelligent guys. However, the amalgamation of both is really the best option for them but then that option is rarely available to them!
Hope your report combined with my comments ( along with Badman's below) is helpful for other newbies in town looking for non-pros.
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07-26-09 14:41 #4
Posts: 1657I'd have to say, this is a very accurate post. Maybe not 100% , (these things are always subjective) but very close to my experience.
Just like anywhere else in the world, you have to have a good game. Guys that only pay for it have either forgotten or never knew how to use their game. Dressing well and being physically fit is a HUGE plus. Argie girls are very much into looks and nice bodies, no matter if they are young college chicks or older milf types.
I'd go on but it's not necessary. Unless you have a different plan of attack in mind.
Regards,
BM
Btw. Lol @ Montevideo.
Originally Posted by Sinistra
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07-26-09 11:55 #3
Posts: 73If you are right, I will do this. If you are right, I will do that
Thanks for the reply.
Because of the first post, I felt like "oh fuck! I have already gotten the BA experience - nothing new." The second post made me say to myself, "How hard can polo be to learn anyway?"
I have beginners Spanish. Another 90 days, it will be better still. I have enough spin on the ball to break into enviable social circles. The question is would I want to? It would require time and effort (as you say)
I was amazed at how beautiful women discounted looks and age in the DR and Colombia. (I have a friend who is 63 and looks every bit his age. But he is a sweet guy, and very young and attractive Colombian girls play with him as if he was 25. I am not 25; but I look good; I'm fit; party dance, whatever. Sometimes I did not feel that was important at all to Combianas, even less to girls in the DR) I imagine this is not the case in Argentina? And, also, most Colomibian men treat their women like shit. That is another reason, Colombian women value gringos highly. What is the comparison to Argentina.
(Sorry for the constant Colombian / DR references. I thought that would add relevance)