American Politics during the Obama Presidency

[Rev BS]

Who is this guy? He is reported the richest man in Los Angeles, and no, he is not from China. He is from South Africa and now an American, the new kind of American. Posted on 4/18/2013 from the Los Angeles Magazine.

You pledged $100 million to help reopen Martin Luther King Jr. hospital in South LA. Shut down in 2007 because of severe mismanagement, it’s a place that many others had given up on. Why did you want to get involved?

Martin Luther King said that medical care is actually a human right and that the greatest insult to humanity is to not provide care to people who really need it. When Martin Luther King hospital was shut down, it just bothered me. I read in the newspaper that this Hispanic lady went to the hospital and ended up having to call 911 from the emergency room and later died. So I went down there afterward to talk to the doctor and walk the halls, and I said, “Show me, just show me what happened.” This was a little island that was ignored in our own community. Here there is wealth and knowledge and information, and nobody wanted to take this on. So I went to UCLA leadership and said we must help them. Working with [CountySupervisor] Mark Ridley-Thomas, we took on this fight. We tried to shame institutions into helping. It emerged that there was this big financial risk that no one wanted to take. So I said, “I’ll take the risk.” Hopefully the hospital will open again soon.

[Rev BS]

Real, balanced news just isn't as compelling. I watch / listen to MSNBC, but not because I think they are credible. I find them curiously entertaining, and enjoy following their efforts at mass programming, like a cult. And Ed Shultz makes me really horny. I'm pissed they kicked him to the sidelines to showcase Chris Hayes. Nobody seems to appreciate a hot, older JAILF these days. For me he's particularly intriguing because my first exposure to sex was when my father took me to a donkey show in Nuevo Laredo when I was 8 years old. It must be something Freudian.

Interesting story, what else did he expose you to. For me, as schoolboys, we would make the detour to the football stadium via the red light alleys. Peering at the sitted women through the doorways, we would be yelled and hissed at. Sometimes, we would be brave enough to even approach a loitering woman to enquire the pricing, curses would fly and we would scamper. Also, the punters that were jostling around did not like us in our school uniforms making them feel like perverts. All this with only a dollar and change in our pockets, the dollar for the game and the rest for the bus and some snacks.

[Punter 127]

I don't like FOX because of their slanted (lies) views. And the lack of coverage.
Like this one:
http://www.policymic.com/articles/40811/13-benghazis-happened-under-president-bush-and-fox-news-said-nothing

Aren't you the guy that told us we should watch Bill Maher? I'm sure his remarks are not slanted, right?

Aren't you the guy that's always telling us to watch this movie or that documentary? We all know Hollywood is not biased, just the facts ma'am, right?

If you read the discussion at the end of your link you will find that its validity is in question, I don't have the time or desire to check it out.

I have said it before and I'll say it again, in todays world all news media are propagandist to one degree or another. They all couch their reports in a way that attempts to lead the viewer to their desired conclusion.

If I thought you were really concerned about "slanted" reporting I would join in the outcry, but you, Blackshirt, and a few other members are to quick to slam Fox News, why only Fox News? Would you have us believe other media doesn't "slant" their reports or participate in selective reporting?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffberc...hannel-by-far/

Remember the 911 call that NBC edited to make Zimmerman look racist? Where were you guys then, not one f'ing word from you, why?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journal...t-nbc-millions

There was a time I thought you and Blackshirt were above this kind of thing, but now it appears to me you guys have been infected with Esten syndrome and now the end justifies the means. Sadly it appears you couldn't care less about truthful reporting as long as it supports your agenda.

Here is California's health care costs. The costs will be lower than now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3328110.html

Your link is several months old and only speaks of California, my link is recent and looks at a eight state average, believe it or not the area between the left coast and the right coast is part of the United States.

http://news.investors.com/politics/0...ting-plans.htm

[Member #4112]

99% of the people wanted Gun background checks, what happened to that?

WT, Esten is making that argument not me.

By the way we have a background check system in place just in case you did not notice.

[WorldTravel69]

99% of the people wanted Gun background checks, what happened to that?

Esten, according to your first statement ObamaCare should be repealed since the latest polls show over 50% of the people don't want it and only 36% of the people do.

Your response?

According to your second statement, I agree we could and at one time did have a better healthcare system until the government got involved, the answer is GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF HEALTHCARE.

Esten it is not a claim it is history. Do a little research and you will find what I described is exactly what happened. The primary and secondary providers are gone leaving us with only the tertiary level of medical care to deal will all healthcare problems at the most expensive level of cost.

Esten, according to you if the "people" want it then others can be FORCED against their volition to preform any service or deliver any good.

Perhaps you wish to live in the Peoples Republic of American but I prefer capitalism and the United States of America.

[Jackson]

Wrong again. The role of the government is whatever the people decide.

Wasn't that the creed for the Nazi Party?

The reason US healthcare costs are so high is because of the profit motive in capitalism.

The only thing that costs more than "the profit motive in capitalism" is the "who gives a fuck, we can't be fired" motive in every government bureaucracy. It's just human nature, but as a "True Believer" you just don't get that, do you Esten?

Personal responsibility is good, but even the most responsible get sick, have accidents, are genetically pre-disposed to disease and need medical attention, including preventive care and counsel.

Esten, when clear thinking individuals talk about "personal responsibility" in this regard, we're not talking about the personal responsibility to make healthy lifestyle choices and to try to avoid injuring oneself. What we're talking about is taking the personal responsibility to pay for your own fucking health insurance needs.

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"Liberal solutions will always fail because they are based on fundamentally inaccurate models of human behavior."

[Member #4112]

Wrong again. The role of the government is whatever the people decide. .....

We can absolutely have a better healthcare system without bankrupting the nation......

Along with your absurd claim that doctor offices and clinics have been nearly destroyed because of Medicare and Medicaid, you have pretty much cemented your reputation here as King of Crapola. You are blinded by your ideology to only see what you want to see.

Esten, according to your first statement ObamaCare should be repealed since the latest polls show over 50% of the people don't want it and only 36% of the people do.

Your response?

According to your second statement, I agree we could and at one time did have a better healthcare system until the government got involved, the answer is GET THE GOVERNMENT OUT OF HEALTHCARE.

Esten it is not a claim it is history. Do a little research and you will find what I described is exactly what happened. The primary and secondary providers are gone leaving us with only the tertiary level of medical care to deal will all healthcare problems at the most expensive level of cost.

Esten, according to you if the "people" want it then others can be FORCED against their volition to preform any service or deliver any good.

Perhaps you wish to live in the Peoples Republic of American but I prefer capitalism and the United States of America.

[Tiny12]

Real, balanced news just isn't as compelling. I watch/listen to Fox, but not because I think they are credible. I find them curiously entertaining, and enjoy following their efforts at mass programming, like a cult.

If you don't like busty women in button bursting low cleavage blouses please feel free to watch (no cleavage, wish I had a penis) Rachel Maddow, and if you really want a thrill up your leg you can watch the Ed show. BTW It's easy to get Mr Ed and the Ed show mixed up, one was a talking horse, the other is a talking jackass.

Real, balanced news just isn't as compelling. I watch / listen to MSNBC, but not because I think they are credible. I find them curiously entertaining, and enjoy following their efforts at mass programming, like a cult. And Ed Shultz makes me really horny. I'm pissed they kicked him to the sidelines to showcase Chris Hayes. Nobody seems to appreciate a hot, older JAILF these days. For me he's particularly intriguing because my first exposure to sex was when my father took me to a donkey show in Nuevo Laredo when I was 8 years old. It must be something Freudian.

[Don B]

Wrong again. The role of the government is whatever the people decide. What part of that don't you understand? If the private sector cannot or will not address an important need, then the people still have a means via their government.

We can absolutely have a better healthcare system without bankrupting the nation. Not ideal, but better. The reason US healthcare costs are so high is because of the profit motive in capitalism. ACA takes a few reasonable measures to tackle this. Personal responsibility is good, but even the most responsible get sick, have accidents, are genetically pre-disposed to disease and need medical attention, including preventive care and counsel.

Along with your absurd claim that doctor offices and clinics have been nearly destroyed because of Medicare and Medicaid, you have pretty much cemented your reputation here as King of Crapola. You are blinded by your ideology to only see what you want to see.

"The role of the government is whatever the people decide.

This, like virtually everything Esten spews, is disgusting.

The only legitimate purpose of government is the protection of individual rights.

I have the right to live my life as I see fit as long as I don't infringe upon others' rights.

He claims others are blinded by their ideology, he is corrupted by his.

Intelligent discourse is impossible with his ilk.

From now on I am refraining from any and all discussions on this site that do not have to do with its primary purpose.


Don B.

[Esten]

Esten, it's not the government's responsibility to provide "affordable healthcare" or any healthcare, except for those in the service who the fed directly employs. The fed is the reason we have the problem we have now. It is impossible to provide the level of healthcare the liberals want to every American, not withstanding those who refuse care, at a cost which will not bankrupt the nation.

If you can afford it then you can have it, if you can't you don't. The federal government has no business in healthcare. Time to get back to the thing which built this country - self reliance and personal responsibility. I have no wish to live in the Peoples Republic of American.

Wrong again. The role of the government is whatever the people decide. What part of that don't you understand? If the private sector cannot or will not address an important need, then the people still have a means via their government.

We can absolutely have a better healthcare system without bankrupting the nation. Not ideal, but better. The reason US healthcare costs are so high is because of the profit motive in capitalism. ACA takes a few reasonable measures to tackle this. Personal responsibility is good, but even the most responsible get sick, have accidents, are genetically pre-disposed to disease and need medical attention, including preventive care and counsel.

Along with your absurd claim that doctor offices and clinics have been nearly destroyed because of Medicare and Medicaid, you have pretty much cemented your reputation here as King of Crapola. You are blinded by your ideology to only see what you want to see.

[Esten]

Fox "News" is popular mainly because it has a corner on the market for conservative views. If liberal and mainstream networks consolidated into one, that network would have much higher numbers too. Fox likes to tout they are the most trusted name in news, but what they don't tell you is they are also the least trusted.

Can Fox Be Both the Least Trusted Name in News, and the Most Trusted? Apparently, Yes
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...tv_source.html

Least Trusted News Outlet
ABC 5%
CBS 5%
CNN 13%
Comedy Central 12%
Fox 39%
MSNBC 14%
NBC 3%
PBS 1%
Someone else / Not sure 9%

Fox further ups its ratings by playing on base emotions. Attractive / sexy women, phony scandals, fake outrage, lies and wild accusations, etc. Real, balanced news just isn't as compelling. I watch/listen to Fox, but not because I think they are credible. I find them curiously entertaining, and enjoy following their efforts at mass programming, like a cult.

[WorldTravel69]

I don't like FOX because of their slanted (lies) views. And the lack of coverage.
Like this one:

http://www.policymic.com/articles/40811/13-benghazis-happened-under-president-bush-and-fox-news-said-nothing

Here is California's health care costs. The costs will be lower than now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3328110.html

Did you even read it? The link is an INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY editorial, not Fox.
I ask you before and I'll ask you again, what's wrong with Fox News? Isn't Fox still the #1 rated cable news channel?

Have we reached a point where I need to request a list of approved reading comrade?

[Punter 127]

False Promises

"Obama drummed two unambiguous promises into the public consciousness: "If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your current health insurance plan you can keep it." Without these two presidential pledges, Obama Care would have stood no chance." Nancy Pelosi's website is still telling these lies.

"Now anyone who calls for Obama Care's repeal is branded a right wing, wild-eyed partisan-obstructionist, not worthy of a second thought. However, if customers had bought a product under similar false assurances, they would be entitled under fraud laws to return it. Not so with Obama Care, claim its supporters.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrode...of-obama-care/

WT 69 I'm still waiting for your answers to the Fox News questions.

[Punter 127]

No, feel free to watch Fox, a lot of busty women presenters there, buttons bursting and low cleavage blouses.

If you don't like busty women in button bursting low cleavage blouses please feel free to watch (no cleavage, wish I had a penis) Rachel Maddow, and if you really want a thrill up your leg you can watch the Ed show. BTW It's easy to get Mr Ed and the Ed show mixed up, one was a talking horse, the other is a talking jackass.

[Artisttyp]

Meanwhile the DEA under the Obama Administration is raiding state approved Medical Marijuana Clinics throughout the nation.

Pluck Obama!