Thread: American Politics during the Obama Presidency
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11-25-13 17:58 #4992
Posts: 776Fascists and libertarians are about as far apart as you can get on the political spectrum.
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11-24-13 22:42 #4991
Posts: 1017Amidst the fearmongering and hysteria.
Michael Hiltzik, Los Angeles Times, November 22,2013.(selected).
"House Speaker John Boehner tried to make a public spectacle out of his own experience signing for a health plan. Things didn't turn out quite the way he'd hoped for. In other words, he succeeded. Boehner did pretty well with ObamaCare. He was eligible for a bronze plan (among others) with a $6,000 annual deductible for $372.14 which is just 2% of Boehner's salary.
And so it goes, we are 7 weeks into the transition, it's been crazy. You mean you expected it to be clockwork, how naive can you be. Ever try to go to the airport on a holiday weekend? One Monday, I couldn't even return my rental car for over an hour. Frustration abound. But in the GOP camp, they are dancing with joy and predicting disaster. We shall see, in another 2 months, in another 10 months. Will the dancing continue to be frantic, drug induced body jerking or to a mere shuffling of the feet. Very interesting times.
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11-24-13 19:00 #4990
Posts: 2700Mister not a conservative
How do you feel about the Tea Party?
Shouldn't the Tea Party be a third Party?
It seems like they are too conservative for the Sane Republicans.
Originally Posted by Jackson [View Original Post]
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11-24-13 18:26 #4989
Posts: 2808Never heard this before
Originally Posted by Jackson [View Original Post]
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11-24-13 14:27 #4988
Posts: 2556
Venues: 398Originally Posted by RockHarders [View Original Post]
Apparently you missed an important day in civics class, so let me educate you.
According to the Webster dictionary, fascism is "a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government, very harsh control or authority.
The word "fascist" much more accurately describes your hero Obama than it does me.
Thanks,
Jax
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For the record, I am NOT a Republican, and I am NOT a conservative.
- I am against the death penalty.
- I am against any government support of religious organizations.
- I am for the legalization of recreational drugs.
- I am for the legalization of commercial sex.
- I am for a woman's right to choose.
- I am for comprehensive sex education.
- I am for a foreign guest worker program.
- I am for a universal flat tax on EVERYONE'S income.
- I am for health INSURANCE reform.
- I am for health JUSTICE reform.
I am a member of the Libertarian Party, registered as an Independent.
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11-24-13 14:20 #4987
Posts: 2556
Venues: 398Originally Posted by Dickhead [View Original Post]
Thus if you are fiscally conservative but socially liberal, you have embraced the basic tenants of the Libertarian philosophy.
Thanks,
Jax.
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For the record, I am NOT a Republican, and I am NOT a conservative.
- I am against the death penalty.
- I am against any government support of religious organizations.
- I am for the legalization of recreational drugs.
- I am for the legalization of commercial sex.
- I am for a woman's right to choose.
- I am for comprehensive sex education.
- I am for a foreign guest worker program.
- I am for a universal flat tax on EVERYONE'S income.
- I am for health INSURANCE reform.
- I am for health JUSTICE reform.
I am a member of the Libertarian Party, registered as an Independent.
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11-24-13 13:52 #4986
Posts: 2556
Venues: 398Originally Posted by Dickhead [View Original Post]
In this case, the Obama administration ignored the country's bankrupacy laws and instead gave $25 billion in GM stock to the UAW while simultaneously telling the legitimate GM bondholders to go pound sand, and THAT is a fact.
Of course, the most important thing to liberals is that we're not talking about the ObamaCare diaster!
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11-23-13 21:17 #4985
Posts: 552
Venues: 8Originally Posted by RevBS [View Original Post]
I'm sure they are doing all that "just to spite Obama."
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11-23-13 19:41 #4984
Posts: 751Mongers-.
The clock is ticking for Jackson and his slithery fascist brethren.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...ety-frays.html
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11-23-13 19:28 #4983
Posts: 3510Originally Posted by Esten [View Original Post]
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11-23-13 17:50 #4982
Posts: 1740Notice how Republicans never cite their own poll numbers, which are absolutely in the toilet. Lower than approval ratings for Congressional Democrats, and less than half of Obama.
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11-23-13 16:39 #4981
Posts: 3510Originally Posted by Jackson [View Original Post]
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11-23-13 01:33 #4980
Posts: 1196The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 45% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Obama's job performance. Fifty-four percent (54%) disapprove.
The latest figures include 22% who Strongly Approve of the way Obama is performing as president and 44% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -22.
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11-22-13 21:05 #4979
Posts: 1017Get this
From the NY Times, Timothy Egan, November 21,2013.(selected).
"The South is once again committed to take a backward path. By refusing to expand health care to the working poor through Medicaid, most of the Confederacy is keeping millions of its own citizens in poverty and poor health. They are dooming themselves further, as the Left Behind States.
And they are doing it out spite(can you believe that, just because of Obama). Most of the South is defiant--their own Lost Cause of the 21st century.
And so the South continue their incestous and self destructive ways. In a world of their own making. But there will be an awakening one day, hope it won't be too late.
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11-22-13 18:19 #4978
Posts: 552
Venues: 8Originally Posted by RockHarders [View Original Post]
If there is a demand for something, the resources WILL be recovered in some fashion. This isn't some might-have-been; even Keynesians believe this to some extent, they simply think it's a good idea to encourage the economy to do it quicker than natural, and in the direction they want (which, of course, almost always leads to bubbles).
Austrians believe that you will always pay for your tampering of the market. They believe that the resources will be naturally recovered and redistributed by market forces and less damage will be done as a result, both because an artificial bubble made by politician's whimsical desires doesn't lead a lot of consumers or investors into the wrong sort of thing (I.e., reduces risk to begin with) and doesn't leave the economy weak as a result of messing with chaotic forces that no one has yet been able to predict and really plan for, limiting future growth until everything is in harmony again.
The reason free market believers have problems with bailing out private industry is because it is only making a bad position worse and will never get better. The auto-industry has been hampered long past necessity by unions. The demands made by collective bargaining have distorted that market in the US and made it very vulnerable to competition from the outside. There are certainly other issues, such as bad management and in some cases bad quality, etc. But at the end of the day, the government propping up private industry is doing nothing but taking money from the economy and using it to continue to prop up bad business and keep resources locked up in poorly-performing economic situations.
If the businesses failed, they would certainly have been redistributed back into the economy and eventually recovered. No might-have-been. I don't think any real economists actually doubt that. But the problem is, those resources may not have been redistributed back into Detroit and other places that have high labor and other costs due to the high influence of collective bargaining. That is where everyone freaks out. My god, all those people may not have had jobs!
But it was their choice! In this day and age, collective bargaining is ridiculous. A job is worth what a job is worth. I don't have a problem if a particular state has a belief that collective bargaining is cool and gets great salaries, but don't expect me, as a taxpayer, to want to contribute to that because the only way they can survive long term with ridiculous salaries and benefits is for the government to help them out at some point. It's not my problem that in my opinion they are way overpaid, and how dare anyone tell me that I should support their artificially-high prices.
If the resources are released and Japanese and German automakers want to by up tools and equipment and other such things and move to other states where collective bargaining is not a problem (considering that foreign automakers already have a number of factories in the US, I can't imagine why they would try to export cars at a higher price than consumers want to pay), I say more power to them. The people in other states will get the benefit of the new jobs, I won't have to bail out a bunch of people who think they are entitled to artificial wage rates, and maybe it will force those people where the jobs were to innovate in some fashion to bring jobs back into their state instead of depending on the other taxpayers of the same country to keep them in their little idealic fantasy.
Let the resources go to those who deserve them by taking care of the resources and increasing their value by using labor and the ingenuity of those workers and not expecting everyone else to suffer for their artificially high demands.
Unfortunately, propping them up has extended the problem and it will just get even worse the next time.
Propping up ANYTHING (be it banks, Wall Street, the auto industry, or the restaurant around the corner) is doing nothing more than delaying the problem.
I think politicians should adopt an item from the Hippocratic Oath: First, do no harm.
Don't just read the words, understand why the Hippocratic Oath contains those words and how they apply to a doctor meddling with his patient.
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