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  1. #1296
    "This is not to mention the negative effect all of this is likely to have on future US-Argentina collaborations and investments, basically driving Argentina to instead make deals with China. ".

    What deals / agreements with USA? Russia, Iran, China, Venezuala are the preferred partners for this bunch of thieves.

  2. #1295
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    Quote Originally Posted by Esten  [View Original Post]
    It's not like Paul Singer's hedge fund actually helped Argentina by buying their bonds, and is just trying to get paid back. No, it bought defaulted bonds, dirt cheap. And is now insisting on full payment of the huge profits from those bonds, plus interest, regardless of any consequences.

    The collateral damage may now potentially include Citibank, which could lose their Argentina banking license if it complies with the order of US Judge Griesa (whose rulings are helping Singer). Citigroup has appealed Griesa's order, saying he abused his discretion in blocking payments from Argentina.

    This is not to mention the negative effect all of this is likely to have on future US-Argentina collaborations and investments, basically driving Argentina to instead make deals with China.

    It appears Paul Singer will go to any length to collect his profits, and (in his view) damned be any adverse consequence for the people of Argentina, the other bondholders, the banks, and other US investors.
    Like to spin things and ignore the truth Esten?

    An investor bought bonds at a discount and the bond issuer has the financial ability to pay the bonds in full. Since the bond issuer has the financial ability to pay the bonds in full, the investor wants to be paid in full. What a crazy concept.

    Everyone has stated that Argentina can pay Singer in full without it affecting the country's agreement with the other bond holders. Argentina has the financial ability to easily pay Singer.

    If any action is taken against Citibank, it will be appealed and reversed with the next administration.

    Do you really believe Argentina is going to do more business with China than it already would do? China is pushing hard to do deals in Latin America and they are having success. That success will continue regardless of these bonds or anything else the US does or doesn't do.

  3. #1294
    Quote Originally Posted by Esten  [View Original Post]
    It's not like Paul Singer's hedge fund actually helped Argentina by buying their bonds, and is just trying to get paid back. No, it bought defaulted bonds, dirt cheap. And is now insisting on full payment of the huge profits from those bonds, plus interest, regardless of any consequences.

    The collateral damage may now potentially include Citibank, which could lose their Argentina banking license if it complies with the order of US Judge Griesa (whose rulings are helping Singer). Citigroup has appealed Griesa's order, saying he abused his discretion in blocking payments from Argentina.

    This is not to mention the negative effect all of this is likely to have on future US-Argentina collaborations and investments, basically driving Argentina to instead make deals with China.

    It appears Paul Singer will go to any length to collect his profits, and (in his view) damned be any adverse consequence for the people of Argentina, the other bondholders, the banks, and other US investors.
    While what you say is true, Argentina in the Form of its wondrous president Cristina feels that they are not obligated to pay ANYONE what they are really owed. But at the same time they want to borrow more money. Griesa and I assume the New York legal system is sick and tired of Argentina's shenanigans and would like nothing more then to see it all go away. No one is interested in cutting them any slack since their only interest is to rob and defraud. Singers group took a chance. One that might never pay off. Cristina is only making interest payments with huge sums that are due in the future when she will not be in the hot seat. And as I have pointed out before Cristina and Singer are both Vultures, but Singer has his house in order. Cristinas house is a disaster!

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  5. #1293
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    USA Judge calls Argentina debt swap plan 'illegal'

    More on Argentina's debt debacle.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/holdou...7--sector.html

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    Definitely vultures

    It's not like Paul Singer's hedge fund actually helped Argentina by buying their bonds, and is just trying to get paid back. No, it bought defaulted bonds, dirt cheap. And is now insisting on full payment of the huge profits from those bonds, plus interest, regardless of any consequences.

    The collateral damage may now potentially include Citibank, which could lose their Argentina banking license if it complies with the order of US Judge Griesa (whose rulings are helping Singer). Citigroup has appealed Griesa's order, saying he abused his discretion in blocking payments from Argentina.

    This is not to mention the negative effect all of this is likely to have on future US-Argentina collaborations and investments, basically driving Argentina to instead make deals with China.

    It appears Paul Singer will go to any length to collect his profits, and (in his view) damned be any adverse consequence for the people of Argentina, the other bondholders, the banks, and other US investors.

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    Vultures, crows, pigeons?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gandolf50  [View Original Post]
    The funny thing here is that both Cristina and Nestor started out as "vultures". They would buy overdue mortgages for pennies, evict the people and then resell or rent the properties. They still own (according to their own disclosure they file every year) 28 of these property's. How is this so different from Elliot Singer and friends?
    Irritating, smelly, dirty, noisy, menacing, prone to fly in & swipe, etc. Yes, no difference.

  8. #1290

    I hope so

    Quote Originally Posted by Dccpa  [View Original Post]
    Maybe they are that stupid or are just delaying the payment. With a US gun to the head of each creditor, that scenario isn't going to happen.
    13.6 today and rising.

  9. #1289
    Quote Originally Posted by Dccpa  [View Original Post]
    they are that stupid
    That says it ALL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tres3  [View Original Post]
    It looks as if Cristina and her cohorts have given up all hope on the rest of the world and are concentrating on Argentine politics.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/argent...175544375.html

    Tres3.
    Maybe they are that stupid or are just delaying the payment. With a US gun to the head of each creditor, that scenario isn't going to happen.

  11. #1287
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    Argentina Is Going Rogue

    It looks as if Cristina and her cohorts have given up all hope on the rest of the world and are concentrating on Argentine politics.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/argent...175544375.html

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  12. #1286
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    Paul Singer's Next Trick Could Make Argentina Angrier Than The Time He Took Its Boat

    More on Argentina's default and the roles Cristina and her late husband played.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/singe...r-funds-2014-8

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    Argentina's Bonds Decline on Plan to Offer Local-Law Swap

    I guess that the government has decided that they have nothing to lose.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...tml?cmpid=yhoo

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  15. #1284
    The funny thing here is that both Cristina and Nestor started out as "vultures". They would buy overdue mortgages for pennies, evict the people and then resell or rent the properties. They still own (according to their own disclosure they file every year) 28 of these property's. How is this so different from Elliot Singer and friends?

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    Argentina's Fernandez calls holdouts greedy, bent on thwarting deal

    It looks as if Cristina is attempting to get as much political mileage, and distraction, as she can while the topic is still hot.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/argent...012827317.html

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  18. #1282
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    Argentina calls hedge funds in debt case an "international mafia"

    It looks as if Argentina has given up all hope of a settlement favorable to them (the dream world scenario), so now they have decided to shit in their mess kit.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/argent...135559467.html

    Tres3.

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