Black

[WhiteCat]

1. If you're in a nice hotel, don't mention where until you've closed the deal and price. Generally price goes up based on some hotels you say are at (I lived at Alvear Palace for a month first year in bs. As and not always 100% but rough rule of thumb)

2. Don't negotiate or pay in dollars. Don't know who has the Blacks frequency record but I'll go out on a limb and say I believe I'm at least top10 on this board. Dollars = inflated price. If you're cool, with that, I'm not the price police but just suggesting optimal tactic. Close the deal in pesos, pay in pesos.

3. Exchange your dollars for pesos At your hotel worst case. But if lower than 4. 5 screw them. You get 4. 5 at an ATM. If you can't find a cueva or black market rate, I'd just suck it up and use ATM to get pesos than pay in dollars or have hotel only give you 4. 2 to 1. That's lower than official exchange rate.

4. I don't do tells but that's just preference. Don't know your hotel so if they are ok with it. Ask concierge or bellboy beforehand to be sure, and check for high "guest" fee. Otherwise may be better off going to tell couple streets down that blacks girls will take you to.

5. If $300 is your limit for just one night I'd say blacks is ok. If that's your wad until sat evening, that's basically 3 evenings. You're better off elsewhere than blacks. Just one encounter will run you about $1000-1200 pesos not counting the entrance and two drink fee to take chica out.

3.a Yes, important...exchange your money at a recommended 6. 0+ exchange and lower your puta cost.

[Mpexy]

1. If you're in a nice hotel, don't mention where until you've closed the deal and price. Generally price goes up based on some hotels you say are at (I lived at Alvear Palace for a month first year in bs. As and not always 100% but rough rule of thumb)

2. Don't negotiate or pay in dollars. Don't know who has the Blacks frequency record but I'll go out on a limb and say I believe I'm at least top10 on this board. Dollars = inflated price. If you're cool, with that, I'm not the price police but just suggesting optimal tactic. Close the deal in pesos, pay in pesos.

3. Exchange your dollars for pesos At your hotel worst case. But if lower than 4. 5 screw them. You get 4. 5 at an ATM. If you can't find a cueva or black market rate, I'd just suck it up and use ATM to get pesos than pay in dollars or have hotel only give you 4. 2 to 1. That's lower than official exchange rate.

4. I don't do tells but that's just preference. Don't know your hotel so if they are ok with it. Ask concierge or bellboy beforehand to be sure, and check for high "guest" fee. Otherwise may be better off going to tell couple streets down that blacks girls will take you to.

5. If $300 is your limit for just one night I'd say blacks is ok. If that's your wad until sat evening, that's basically 3 evenings. You're better off elsewhere than blacks. Just one encounter will run you about $1000-1200 pesos not counting the entrance and two drink fee to take chica out.

Thanks DR and R2 for your response. First time in BA and this place has grown on me. A few more questions:

* I am in a Retire hotel and have about 300 USD cash to play with. My hotel has a USD-Peso ration of 1:4. 2. Am I better off paying in Black with USD to get a higher ratio?

* Would you recommend Black or another place given the $ limit and that I am here only till Saturday evening?

* Should I bring the chica back to my hotel or better off with a local telo in Recoleta?

Thanks in advance!

[ThugStar84]

Thanks DR and R2 for your response. First time in BA and this place has grown on me. A few more questions:

* I am in a Retiro hotel and have about 300 USD cash to play with. My hotel has a USD-Peso ration of 1:4. 2. Am I better off paying in Black with USD to get a higher ratio?

* Would you recommend Black or another place given the $ limit and that I am here only till Saturday evening?

* Should I bring the chica back to my hotel or better off with a local telo in Recoleta?

Thanks in advance!

[Rocky2]

At Black I reckon you would be OK but it's a risk I wouldn't take. Honestly I don't know if they take them.

Yes, I have seen cards used there, but much better to use pesos. R2

[Daddy Rulz]

Do black take credit cards? And is it advisable to use credit cards here?

At Black I reckon you would be OK but it's a risk I wouldn't take. Honestly I don't know if they take them.

[ThugStar84]

Do black take credit cards? And is it advisable to use credit cards here?

[WhiteCat]

I concur with WW, Whitecat, Esten and Toyman, the prices have become ridiculous for both patron and chica drinks over the years but since the place is next to the Alvear Palace what do you expect? The exchange rate helps to level the field a bit but it is still one of the most expensive clubs out there. My first visit to Black in 2004 there were wall to wall fantastic women available and the rule then was to get there before 12:00 because by 1:00 the best ones were gone. Drink prices were more reasonable and chica prices, while higher than other clubs were still 'reasonable'. Had some great times there and got to know the black bartender and the tall slim blond bartender well. I have not been asked to pay an entry fee in years and I always go by to have a drink when I'm in town. Since I don't go to these places to get blasted, I can nurse a scotch on the rocks for an hour or more as the bartender will keep adding ice for me. I have been going there for so long I have no problems collecting numbers and I still see two or three of my old friends still working there who never fail to come chat me up. I enjoy the upscale club scene but have not gotten taken out in some time now, to easy to just call for before or after work service.

That's the best strategy. Have a drink and take it all in and see what you can do for the morning. I had a superstar like this from Madaho's years ago. She was new, shy, and a good performer. 4'11", about 90 lbs. She was glad to do the deed since she told me she does not get taken daily. I left the club at 3am, and she was at the apt about 8am. She stayed 3 hrs for the same agreed price for 1 hr.

[Member #4112]

I concur with WW, Whitecat, Esten and Toyman, the prices have become ridiculous for both patron and chica drinks over the years but since the place is next to the Alvear Palace what do you expect? The exchange rate helps to level the field a bit but it is still one of the most expensive clubs out there. My first visit to Black in 2004 there were wall to wall fantastic women available and the rule then was to get there before 12:00 because by 1:00 the best ones were gone. Drink prices were more reasonable and chica prices, while higher than other clubs were still 'reasonable'. Had some great times there and got to know the black bartender and the tall slim blond bartender well. I have not been asked to pay an entry fee in years and I always go by to have a drink when I'm in town. Since I don't go to these places to get blasted, I can nurse a scotch on the rocks for an hour or more as the bartender will keep adding ice for me. I have been going there for so long I have no problems collecting numbers and I still see two or three of my old friends still working there who never fail to come chat me up. I enjoy the upscale club scene but have not gotten taken out in some time now, to easy to just call for before or after work service.

[Rubiks Cube]

I agree with estes completely. The price of drinks is what ruins the experience. I used to plan on 4 drinks and would buy 3-4 girl drinks. It would be fun to hang out for a few hours and make a full night. Now that would cost me $500 us before I walked out of the club. Now I walk in and sip a drink. Very few guys in there so the girls have no energy.

[WhiteCat]

Some good responses to this thread..... I think many BA mongers just find the comfort zone and sail thru the rest. Yes, these places run on higher prices and pretty faces and if that is what one wants, fine. I think alot has to do with the fact that most don't speak the lingo, have pockets loaded with money, so all systems go. Once that comfort zone is reached we just want good cheap (sometimes higher priced) pussy with no problems. The monger mentality ages as does a good Malbec. Not all run on the Gato speed/mentality of going crazy for 10 days and then self destruction. We do have some intelligent members out there who consider this a hobby as well as an art..

[Esten]

When we walked into the bar, there was a clear path all the way down the middle, the full length of the bar. It was packed with some of the most beautiful women that I had ever seen and they were all looking at me as if I was Brad Pitt. Man, my ego was getting a nice boost.

Sounds just like my first time to Black in 2004. Walking in, seeing the long lines of beautiful women on both sides, it was almost like a dream. I couldn't believe a place like this actually existed. Like an adult version of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, instead of chocolate it was hot babes. Hot babes who wanted you to pick them, hang out with you, and then have sex with you outside the club.

If the chica quantity and quality is still there, it's still possible to have that fresh,"in awe" perspective. The trick is being at peace with the pricing, if that's possible.

People have been complaining about Black prices since this thread started. But it's all how you look at it. Maybe it's $100-$200 more expensive than other evening options. I can look at it as a splurge for a couple of nights. Or I can compare the increase in cost due to inflation, to the increase in my disposable income. If my disposable income went up 10K over several years, I can easily afford to pay a few hundred more for a couple nights at Black.

It's a mental game. I enjoy the upscale nightclub experience, more than the wham-bam privado experience. Since I'm in town usually for just a week or two, I allow myself to indulge in the high end clubs a few nights. I'm at peace with the pricing, I really never miss what I spent when I get back home. The part that does bug me a little though is the drink prices. They should lower the prices for drinks so you can hang out for awhile and enjoy, without sweating how high your drink tab is running. Increase the entrance fee if needed. With the current pricing you're inclined to sip your drink for a long time, and / or limit how many chicas you can have a good interview with.

[SnakeOilSales]

I remember back in 2004/2005 when I first started mongering in Buenos Aires and kept hearing about how Black was like the Playboy mansion, how it was far and away the best place in BA, etc with prices to suit. At that time the talk of the forum was how all the "Top" talent had in fact left Buenos Aires as a result of the crisis and went to work in Europe and / or Santiago (Chile). The first few places I went to were Newport, Madahos, and Cocodrilo which at the time I thought were all pretty good, so I thought that Black was just going to be paradise found when I finally went there; well, I finally did go there prepared to fork over what it cost at the time ($100 USD for the girl IIRC, with negotiation) and I remember being totally and utterly disappointed in what was actually on offer after all the hype.

Back in those days Madahos had similar quality and I distinctly remember it being 30 pesos to get in ($10 USD at that time) and being able to easily negotiate the girls down to $200- $300 AR for an hour or so. In that same era a beer at Newport was $9 AR and the girls would go out for $150 AR; I was in Newport about three weeks ago and some of the same girls were working in there that were there seven or eight years ago when I first went.

Fast forward to today's Buenos Aires and the girls in Black and Madahos all want $200 USD and they charge you a whopping $200 AR to walk in the door / buy a drink, plus $400 AR exit fee, etc, it's just a really bad deal for what you get. Some of those dancers would be worth $300 USD to fuck for an hour but they are not going to go for anywhere near that price. There are few available hookers in Argentina who are worth more than $100 USD to fuck.

[Wild Walleye]

I've been there more than once but, I have never ordered take out, from there. Circa the "first night" mentioned below (probably early '07) , I think it was probably AR$400-600 to take a chica out of Black, not including chica drinks. I left Black alone that evening, for the reasons stated below, however, were it not for that complication, I have no doubt that I would have let the little head do the thinking and talking (his Spanish is worse than mine) and would have pulled a drop dead gorgeous creature out of black with a high possibility of being disappointed. That night, after leaving Black, I went to 1707 for two (plus) hours with two different chicas (Morena and Florencia (the house pig. Who turned out to be a lot of fun) for something like AR$300. The latter of the two lasses knew she wasn't getting paid for her looks and was actually muy linda and extremely accommodating (bucal sin, cola, leche en boca why cara) and patient (sometimes it takes me quite a while). As I made my way back to my hotel with the sky starting to get a little brighter, as the rising sun started to hit the tops of the taller buildings, it occurred to me that what I really wanted was a chica that looks like she should be in Black and f*cks like a privado champ.

A while later, I treated an associate to a night out at Black, including a chica for him, and it ran me well north of AR$1, 000. However, I wasn't paying for myself, I was treating someone else to what really floated his boat (a 10 in looks). He was very happy. That night, after parting ways, I had a chica, who I had originally met a Madaho, meet me at my hotel. She was pretty and relatively fun in the rack, however, she suffered from GPS. With time, I found that as far as boliches are concerned, New Port is my kind of place (not sure what that says about me).

[Rubiks Cube]

I agree that it is getting tougher and tougher to go to these places. I used to love black about 5 years ago. The energy and talent started to go way downhill. Went a few nights ago for memories. Had 1 drink and bought 2 for a girl and it was 950 pesos. Crazy. These clubs are pricing themselves out of business. Did have a great night with the girl I left with but won't be back for a long time.

[Toymann]

My query is " Are experienced mongers of BA" actually picking up girls from Madahos and Black?

I doubt it.

If at all they are still picking from these 2 places, it must be via phone nos or unconventional routes. I can't imagine a experienced monger of BA paying 1000's of pesos and going through the entire rigamarole of paying for the entry, chica drinks, own drinks, propinas, transitorio etc etc

Back in the day (cerca 04-08) , I used to pull girls all the time from Madahos (just check my old posts). Went to Blacks once, didn't like the vibe and never returned. I in fact had a special interview process I developed over the years that was pretty good at separating the porn stars from the pretenders / scam chicas. It was pretty funny, as my spanish was virtually non-existent back then except for my interview questions. Don't want to bore you all with the interview, but the last question had to do something with "boca leche", jajajajajaja. I stopped pulling girls from Madahos about 4 years ago, but would still take my fishing wingmen in there to pull a chica once a trip just for the novelty. The last two years I took my buddies into Madahos (I come trice a year like clockwork) , and too my surprise was never able to get a selected chica (wingman's choice) , to pass the interview successfully. This has been quite surprising as my spanish is light years ahead of what it was back in the "boca leche" days. To this day, I still see a gal that I met 7 years ago at Madahos (the infamous Dentist). I have more girls than I can handle these days so I always have great chicas for my fishing buddies. I would agree with you dude that an experienced monger these days would rarely pull a Madahos / Blacks chica. Too many good indies out there on solo, and some of the other good sites. Monger On Dude. Toymann